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In Focusing on the Fire Kasina Vince Fakhoury Horn introduces the Fire Kasina meditation practice, emphasizing the primacy of concentration and the recursive process of learning through focused attention on a candle flame.
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Vince: All right, so today weâre going to be diving into the practice of the Fire Kasina, and Iâm excited to share this with you in part because it seems like it was a really important part of my own teacherâs practiceâmy first meditation teacher, Daniel Ingram. When I was reading his book for the first time, I remember him talking about how he went on retreat and worked with the candle flame at the end of a long vipassana retreat.
Later on, that story was shared again in the beginning of a book called The Fire Kasina, which Iâd recommend. It was a conversationâa dialogical bookâbetween him and Shannon Stein, an experienced meditator who was talking to Daniel during her own replication of his long Fire Kasina retreat practice. It gives some great instructions in that bookâa good overview of the practice and the kind of stages that one can go through. Not universal, perhaps, but fairly common. It also gives some really good, basic, practical pointers on how to do concentration practice.
And this is one of the two frames that Iâd like to share today in exploring the Fire Kasina, because I think itâs useful. Iâm going to start here and then loop back around, because itâs so important that it bears returning to.
So hereâs what Daniel said in The Fire Kasina book to Shannon, as she asked for basic instructions on how to do the Fire Kasina. He said, âConcentration on what is happening is more important than what is happening.â
What does that mean? It seems pretty simple in a way, but itâs deceptively simple, because we just seem to keep forgetting this important point when we do the practice.
So what does it mean to me? âConcentration on what is happeningâ means that what weâre focusing on is more important than whatever is happening there.
So if weâre focusing on our breathâthe classic meditation objectâthen whateverâs happening with the breath is whatâs happening. We could think, âOh, I wish my breath were really soft and gentle,â or, âI wish my breath had stopped, because I heard that when it stops, thatâs a good sign of concentration.â
Okay, coolâbut what is actually happening? Because what might be happening is you might be thinking about your breath instead of noticing your breath. This is the simple way we get lost in concepts about whatâs happening instead of being with our meditation subject.
So: concentration on what is happening is more important than whateverâs happening. Thatâs the most important thing to remember.
What does that mean in terms of Fire Kasina? Here, I think itâs really useful to consider that whatever youâre seeing is what youâre seeing. You may be looking at a candle flame, and you may see all kinds of thingsâeyes open or eyes closed.
In the guided practice to come, Iâll offer instructions for both. When thatâs happening, itâs important to just remember: whatever youâre seeing is what youâre seeing. Thatâs whatâs happening. It might be really clear and vivid, which makes it easy to see. Other times it might be unclear, murky, dull, or hazyâand thatâs whatâs happening. Thatâs what youâre seeing. Concentration on whatâs happening is more important than whatâs happening.
The other thing thatâs useful to remember in this practice is something John Vervaeke, the professor from Toronto, said: âEvolution is revolution with change.â Evolution is a process where we take something that we go through again and againâa recursive processâand something changes in the recursion.
With learning and doing a practice like this, whatâs the recursion? Itâs the concentration feedback loop. Itâs the loop we go through every time we work on strengthening our concentration. We select an object and engage with itâin this case, the candle flame. Then at some point, our mind fragments or we get distracted and lose clarity around whatâs happening. We have to recognize that, remember to return, and we do thatâwe come back.
Thatâs the basic feedback loop: we engage with an object, we get distracted or fragmented, we recognize thatâs happened, we recollect, and we return all of ourselves back to the meditation subject. In this case, back to the candle flame. If youâre working with the afterimage and get lost with eyes closed, you can always return, open your eyes, and look at the candle flame again. Thatâs one way to do it.
âEvolution is revolution with change.â As we go through this learning loop many times, even if itâs subtle fragmentation and subtle returning, weâre learning in each loop. Each time, we have an opportunity to understand whatâs happening in the process.
âOh wow, every time I do this after lunch, itâs harder.â Okayâthen be more patient with yourself. Thatâs part of the limitation of being human. Or, âI keep noticing this subtle recurring pattern.â Great, thereâs something to pay attention to.
Each time we do the practice, weâre learningâand thatâs evolution. Because to me, I donât really know what the difference is, from the point of view of being a person. Evolution is just learning how to be better in this situationâwith whoever Iâm with and whateverâs happening, even if itâs just with a candle flame.
Here, weâre learning to be with the candle flame. To focus. To learn through what happensâwhat grabs our attention, what itâs like to let go, and what itâs like to return.
Interested in the topic?Sign-up for free the KASINA web application or join us for a live training in the Pragmatic Dharma Sangha
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In Focusing on the Fire Kasina Vince Fakhoury Horn introduces the Fire Kasina meditation practice, emphasizing the primacy of concentration and the recursive process of learning through focused attention on a candle flame.
Interested in the topic?Sign-up for free the KASINA web application or join us for a live training in the Pragmatic Dharma Sangha
đŹ Transcript
Vince: All right, so today weâre going to be diving into the practice of the Fire Kasina, and Iâm excited to share this with you in part because it seems like it was a really important part of my own teacherâs practiceâmy first meditation teacher, Daniel Ingram. When I was reading his book for the first time, I remember him talking about how he went on retreat and worked with the candle flame at the end of a long vipassana retreat.
Later on, that story was shared again in the beginning of a book called The Fire Kasina, which Iâd recommend. It was a conversationâa dialogical bookâbetween him and Shannon Stein, an experienced meditator who was talking to Daniel during her own replication of his long Fire Kasina retreat practice. It gives some great instructions in that bookâa good overview of the practice and the kind of stages that one can go through. Not universal, perhaps, but fairly common. It also gives some really good, basic, practical pointers on how to do concentration practice.
And this is one of the two frames that Iâd like to share today in exploring the Fire Kasina, because I think itâs useful. Iâm going to start here and then loop back around, because itâs so important that it bears returning to.
So hereâs what Daniel said in The Fire Kasina book to Shannon, as she asked for basic instructions on how to do the Fire Kasina. He said, âConcentration on what is happening is more important than what is happening.â
What does that mean? It seems pretty simple in a way, but itâs deceptively simple, because we just seem to keep forgetting this important point when we do the practice.
So what does it mean to me? âConcentration on what is happeningâ means that what weâre focusing on is more important than whatever is happening there.
So if weâre focusing on our breathâthe classic meditation objectâthen whateverâs happening with the breath is whatâs happening. We could think, âOh, I wish my breath were really soft and gentle,â or, âI wish my breath had stopped, because I heard that when it stops, thatâs a good sign of concentration.â
Okay, coolâbut what is actually happening? Because what might be happening is you might be thinking about your breath instead of noticing your breath. This is the simple way we get lost in concepts about whatâs happening instead of being with our meditation subject.
So: concentration on what is happening is more important than whateverâs happening. Thatâs the most important thing to remember.
What does that mean in terms of Fire Kasina? Here, I think itâs really useful to consider that whatever youâre seeing is what youâre seeing. You may be looking at a candle flame, and you may see all kinds of thingsâeyes open or eyes closed.
In the guided practice to come, Iâll offer instructions for both. When thatâs happening, itâs important to just remember: whatever youâre seeing is what youâre seeing. Thatâs whatâs happening. It might be really clear and vivid, which makes it easy to see. Other times it might be unclear, murky, dull, or hazyâand thatâs whatâs happening. Thatâs what youâre seeing. Concentration on whatâs happening is more important than whatâs happening.
The other thing thatâs useful to remember in this practice is something John Vervaeke, the professor from Toronto, said: âEvolution is revolution with change.â Evolution is a process where we take something that we go through again and againâa recursive processâand something changes in the recursion.
With learning and doing a practice like this, whatâs the recursion? Itâs the concentration feedback loop. Itâs the loop we go through every time we work on strengthening our concentration. We select an object and engage with itâin this case, the candle flame. Then at some point, our mind fragments or we get distracted and lose clarity around whatâs happening. We have to recognize that, remember to return, and we do thatâwe come back.
Thatâs the basic feedback loop: we engage with an object, we get distracted or fragmented, we recognize thatâs happened, we recollect, and we return all of ourselves back to the meditation subject. In this case, back to the candle flame. If youâre working with the afterimage and get lost with eyes closed, you can always return, open your eyes, and look at the candle flame again. Thatâs one way to do it.
âEvolution is revolution with change.â As we go through this learning loop many times, even if itâs subtle fragmentation and subtle returning, weâre learning in each loop. Each time, we have an opportunity to understand whatâs happening in the process.
âOh wow, every time I do this after lunch, itâs harder.â Okayâthen be more patient with yourself. Thatâs part of the limitation of being human. Or, âI keep noticing this subtle recurring pattern.â Great, thereâs something to pay attention to.
Each time we do the practice, weâre learningâand thatâs evolution. Because to me, I donât really know what the difference is, from the point of view of being a person. Evolution is just learning how to be better in this situationâwith whoever Iâm with and whateverâs happening, even if itâs just with a candle flame.
Here, weâre learning to be with the candle flame. To focus. To learn through what happensâwhat grabs our attention, what itâs like to let go, and what itâs like to return.
Interested in the topic?Sign-up for free the KASINA web application or join us for a live training in the Pragmatic Dharma Sangha

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