Just in time for Valentine's Day, with love undeniably in the air, Sarah Jakes Roberts risks telling all her business in this episode alongside her man, her man, her man — Pastor Touré Roberts. As women emerge into expanded spaces of influence and self-definition, the dialogue surrounding traditional feminism, masculinity, and role reversals grows increasingly complex. And yes, this is that kind of conversation: going rogue for romance! So, what did these two have to defy to lay hold of a successful marital framework? And how do they keep the main thing…well, the main thing? Press play to find out.

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