Free Cities Podcast

"You can vote your way into socialism, but you can only shoot your way out. They're never going to leave power."

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Timothy Allen sits down with Mailyn Salabarria, a Cuban refugee and liberty advocate, to talk about what “voting with your feet” looks like when it is not a lifestyle choice but a survival move. Mailyn describes leaving Cuba with two suitcases and $200, then having to learn how freedom actually works once she arrived in the US.

From there, the conversation gets darker: why Cuba is not “quaint,” how the country is actively disintegrating (hospitals, power, crime, morality), and how the regime sustains itself through censorship, embedded informants, and a tourist-facing propaganda veneer. Mailyn also explains how remittances and “private” businesses still loop back into state control, and why she sees Venezuela as a key pressure point for Cuba’s future.

They close on a guarded optimism: Florida as a lower-government bubble, a possible US fracturing scenario, and the surprising momentum for freer-market politics across Latin America, with the hope that the trend eventually reaches Cuba too.

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TIMESTAMPS (Audio Version Only)

0:00:30 – Episode introduction

0:07:07 – Start of Conversation

0:09:00 – From “survival mode” to “purpose”: speaking at Free Cities Conference

0:11:16 – “Two suitcases, $200”: why voting with your feet is easier now

0:14:41 – “Same dog, different leash”: parties, lockdowns, and the regulatory state

0:21:13 – “The country is disintegrating”: hospitals, disease, kids and elderly first

0:25:22 – The “quaint Cuba” tourism myth and the propaganda veneer

0:29:49 – Private property as an illusion: Cuba’s “private” loop and US property taxes

0:30:51 – Why Venezuela matters: Maduro, oil supply lines, and the tipping-point theory

0:34:24 – Remittances as regime revenue: the state skims money sent home

0:38:30 – No internet, no power: why Bitcoin and alternatives struggle to emerge

0:45:02 – Snitch networks and the price of betrayal

0:51:42 – The hard rebuild is mindset: personal responsibility after communism

0:54:39 – “I don’t exist”: erased records and why she cannot return yet

1:07:30 – Hope moves south: Latin America’s pro-market turn

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"The golden age of voluntarism, anarcho-capitalism has already emerged. It's all over two-thirds of the Earth's surface. It's completely flourishing. It's long since entered its golden age. We've already proved that it works because it emerged naturally on the sea.

It's called the cruise ship industry."

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Timothy Allen sits down with Joe Quirk, president of The Seasteading Institute, to make the strongest practical case for “exit” as a governance strategy, starting with Sealand and pirate-radio absurdity and ending with a serious blueprint for floating communities that can iterate on rules the way markets iterate on products.

They use cruise ships as the key intuition pump: millions of people already live for weeks at sea under private rule-sets with security, dispute resolution, labor hierarchies, and tight logistics, which makes seasteading less sci-fi and more a question of engineering, law, and finance.

From there, the conversation digs into what actually blocks seasteads from becoming mainstream: legal classification (not quite a ship, not quite a building), insurance, standards, and the need for designs that feel like livable cities rather than tiny pods for hobbyists. Joe argues seasteads are a “technology” for creating 100,000 competing governance experiments across most of the planet, while Timothy keeps pressing on the realism: what would make this legible, scalable, and resilient against political pushback.

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0:00:30 – Episode introduction

0:09:46 – Start of Conversation

0:11:00 – Sealand origin story, warning shot, “outside our jurisdiction”

0:16:00 – Media narrative shift: “seasteading comeback” and brand rehab

0:23:24 – AI analogical reasoning and “ChatGPT fatigue”

0:34:31 – Cruise ships as anarcho-capitalist governance at scale

0:38:16 – “Will the state just crush it?” and how exit survives

0:43:44 – Islands, vice, and why governments ignore bigger abuses

0:48:06 – Paradigm defense: why people resist solutions they can’t unsee

0:54:49 – The captain as dictator, overlapping jurisdictions, polycentric order

0:59:48 – Salvage law and Lloyd’s as a working market court

1:12:16 – Planet Ocean: why space is propaganda and the ocean is the real frontier

1:47:37 – Flat earth as a stress test for epistemology and belief

2:18:18 – The bottleneck: certification, insurance, flags, and making seasteads family-safe

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Special Economic Zones, Public Choice, and the Truth Behind China's Miracle

Lotta Moberg is an economist and author of The Political Economy of Special Economic Zones, widely regarded as the leading academic book on the subject. After a PhD at George Mason University she spent a decade in macro investing and is now co-founding a wealth management firm, alongside an unusual sideline in cannabis credit.

Timothy Allen sits down with Lotta for a conversation that quietly dismantles the story most people tell about special economic zones. The legend of China's zones as a wise master plan turns out to be tidier than the truth: the real origin was businessmen in Guangdong lobbying local officials to trade with Hong Kong, brown envelopes included, with official blessing arriving only years after the experiment worked.

From there they get into why governments keep subsidising failing zones, why privately run zones consistently outperform state-run ones, whether the Honduran ZEDEs are a cute experiment or life-changing, and how money adopts an idea, traced from Bitcoin through longevity to Free Cities. The conversation ends with Bitcoin, property rights and governance by contract, and it is Timothy, not Lotta, who comes away declaring himself a total convert.

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Guest: Lotta Moberg - Website | X | LinkedIn | Book: The Political Economy of Special Economic Zones

The Free Cities Podcast is the official podcast of the Free Cities Foundation hosted by Timothy Allen. New episodes every Friday. Long-form, in-person conversations with the builders, investors, residents, and thinkers shaping the future of Free Cities, charter cities, special economic zones, network states, private cities, and governance innovation worldwide.

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"I want to be back in my tribe. I want to have strong people which I can rely on, which I can do business with, which I know, which have my back and I have theirs. That's exactly what I want to have. And if we are building this place right now, why would I fill it with people I don't know and I don't give a shit about?"

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“The whole country is falling apart and nobody gives a shit about it.”

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Timothy Allen speaks with Tim Stern, founder of CryptoCity on Margarita Island, Venezuela.

Tim explains why more Europeans are treating exit as a practical strategy, not a fantasy: rising tax friction, social instability, and the creeping merge of Digital ID with state money.

We talk about why “CryptoCity” is a toxic name for Bitcoiners, what a DAO is actually useful for (crowdfunding businesses and managing shared infrastructure), and why he is building a high-trust community with a hard filter.

We also get into the on-the-ground reality: moving earth, building terraces, planning a real port, and the longer-term bet that Latin America buys you time while Europe tightens control.

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0:00:29 – Episode introduction

0:12:14 – Start of Conversation

0:14:01 – Media Backlash And “Billionaire Conspiracy” Narratives

0:16:46 – “Will Maduro Nationalize It?” Political Risk And How Margarita Differs From The Mainland

0:19:21 – “CryptoCity” Name Debate: Bitcoin Vs “Crypto”

0:22:37 – What The DAO Actually Does: Crowdfunding Local Businesses

0:28:09 – Project Update: 1.1M Tons Of Earth Moved, Terraces, Scale

0:31:01 – The Port Plan: Permits, Timeline, And Funding

0:33:16 – Freshwater Discovery And Why It Changes Everything

0:43:13 – Why People Are Leaving Europe: Exit Taxes, Incentives, And “Chaining” Entrepreneurs

0:49:55 – Germany Vs Prague: Safety, Culture, And “Normal People From The 90s”

1:06:29 – Digital ID And CBDCs: The Next Control Layer

1:12:02 – Bitcoin As Parallel Rails Vs Physical-World Chokepoints

1:16:05 – CryptoCity In 20 Seconds: Who It’s For And How Selection Works

1:19:10 – Roadmap: Walls, Roads, First Houses, And Next Steps

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"If I can sell someone something to buy, they might buy it. If you can sell someone something that they can live in, they're likely to buy it. If you can sell someone something that they can live in and also generates passive income for them, they're very likely to buy it."

Timothy Allen speaks with Mitchell Suchner, founder of ArkPad.

Mitchell is building real, operational seasteading infrastructure, including Reef Resort in the Philippines. This episode is the economic case for how floating projects scale into ocean communities: not by ideology first, but by exports, revenue, and industry.

We walk through the “seasteading stack” Mitchell sees emerging: aquaculture as early cashflow, tourism as a growth engine, and longer-term ocean industries like mineral extraction from seawater, offshore data infrastructure, and autonomous logistics. The conversation also covers platform stability, storm resilience, maritime flags and jurisdiction, and why distance from political risk can be a strategic advantage.

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0:00:29 – Episode introduction

0:05:23 – Start of Conversation

0:07:20 – Mitchell’s Background And Path Into Seasteading

0:11:40 – Why Seasteading Must Start With Economics

0:18:10 – Ocean Mining And Extracting Minerals From Seawater

0:25:00 – Cities Need Exports: The Economic Case For Seasteads

0:33:40 – What Ocean Cities Will Actually Look Like

0:41:20 – ArkPad Designs, Stability, And Storm Resilience

0:48:10 – The Seasteading Income Stack: Fish, Tourism, Mining

0:52:40 – Offshore Data Centers And Future Ocean Industry

0:59:30 – Floating RVs, Flotillas, And Early Adoption Models

1:08:10 – Maritime Flags, Jurisdiction, And Governance At Sea

1:17:10 – Distance As Protection And Political Strategy

1:23:30 – Scaling From Projects To Cities

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“The free cities community seems very much more buttoned up and more pragmatic – real estate, free cities, development, SEZs. You need lawyers, you need bankers.

And then the network state community, there’s a lot more dreamers, young dreamers who want to do pop-up cities.

But there’s a convergence in between where you have a group of people who are a bit of both. And I think that middle group of people are people that are going to do some very interesting things.”

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Timothy Allen speaks with Vikram Bharati.

Vikram is the founder of Draper Nation, a governance venture lab focused on experimenting with new political and institutional models across both physical and digital realms. Vikram’s background spans venture capital, startup ecosystems, and long-running work with Tim Draper, with a particular focus on digital governance, networked communities, and cloud-based public services.

The conversation moves from personal history, including Vikram’s roots in Nagaland and Timothy’s formative experiences across Northeast India, into a broader discussion of tribal governance, decentralization, and how small-scale systems resolve conflict and maintain cohesion. These lived examples become a lens for questioning democracy at scale and exploring why experimentation, rather than reform, is the primary driver of governance improvement.

From there, the discussion connects Free Cities and Network States as complementary experiments: Free Cities operating on the ground through real estate, law, and host-state agreements, and Network States operating in the cloud through digital coordination and identity. Drawing on examples from China’s Special Economic Zones, private cities, Bitcoin, and Draper Nation’s digital nation experiments, the episode argues that the most meaningful governance innovation is emerging where physical jurisdictions and cloud-based systems intersect.

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“How do you get out of this? How do you separate yourself from your government today? How do you protect your wealth and your ability to provide for your family today?”

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Timothy Allen speaks with Mikkel Thorup.

Mikkel is a long-time expat, offshore consultant, and founder of Expat Money. He has spent over 25 years living outside his country of birth, traveled to more than 120 countries, and works directly with families, entrepreneurs, and high earners looking to reduce friction with the systems they live under.

What begins with travel stories from Central Asia and reflections on cultural psychology quickly expands into a deeper conversation about freedom, perspective, and trade-offs. Mikkel challenges Western assumptions about liberty, compares overt and hidden forms of control, and argues that many people do not actually want freedom once responsibility enters the picture.

From China and the Middle East to Panama and Latin America, the discussion maps where real-world freedom is increasing, where it is quietly disappearing, and why jurisdictions with territorial tax systems and diversified revenue models are becoming magnets for mobile families. Along the way, Mikkel explains why Panama functions as a de facto city-state, how offshore structures really work in practice, and why physical communities matter more than online movements alone.

The second half of the conversation moves into harder territory: public education, UBI, loss of purpose, and why meaning, struggle, and family remain central even in a world of optionality. Rather than offering slogans or hacks, the episode stays grounded in lived experience, trade-offs, and personal responsibility.

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Veritas Villages are building off-grid, energy self-sufficient communities for freedom lovers in Latin America. Bitcoin is accepted at all villages, including for the purchase of property.

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EP 156: https://fountain.fm/episode/66NqAclTBh7FByIX7lCq

EP 107: https://fountain.fm/episode/Fh6uGwZvVtPsYsR53pTI

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“Why do you need Free Cities if you can live tax-free everywhere?”

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Timothy Allen speaks with Christoph Heuermann.

Christoph is a perpetual traveler whose company Staatenlos sits at the intersection of global mobility, asset protection, and quiet preparation for uncertainty. What begins with stories of constant movement and remote places quickly turns into a deeper exploration of why some people choose not to anchor themselves to a single country, system, or plan.

Without turning it into a how-to guide, the conversation moves through unclaimed territories, unusual experiments in sovereignty, and the lived reality behind concepts like exit, optionality, and Plan B thinking. Heuermann shares observations from years of travel and advising clients, offering glimpses into how families, entrepreneurs, and retirees are responding to tightening rules and rising friction worldwide.

The discussion also challenges common assumptions about digital nomads, free cities, and what actually creates resilience, hinting at tensions between online freedom and physical reality. Throughout, the focus stays practical and grounded, more about mindset and trade-offs than hype.

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Veritas Villages are building off-grid, energy self-sufficient communities for freedom lovers in Latin America. Bitcoin is accepted at all villages, including for the purchase of property.

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EP 156: https://fountain.fm/episode/66NqAclTBh7FByIX7lCq

EP 107: https://fountain.fm/episode/Fh6uGwZvVtPsYsR53pTI

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In this NEWS episode of the Free Cities Podcast, Timothy Allen summarizes a recent Free Cities Foundation Ambassador call focused on the reported capture of Venezuela’s president Nicolás Maduro and the rapid signals of reopening that followed.

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Drawing on firsthand accounts from Tim Stern, founder of CryptoCity, a residential special economic zone being built on Venezuela's Margarita Island, the discussion traced the immediate shock of the news, followed by a sudden surge in activity. Stern described how real estate inventory on Margarita tightened dramatically within days, with entry-level beachfront apartments disappearing and inbound interest spiking.

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He also reported hundreds of new CryptoCity sign-ups in a single day and the return of international flights, including direct routes to Caracas for the first time in roughly 15–20 years, with expectations that flights to Margarita itself would soon follow.

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José Cordero, a Venezuelan economist and futurist, framed the moment in national terms, emphasizing that roughly a third of Venezuela’s population, an estimated 8–9 million people, now lives abroad. He argued that despite sensitivities around sovereignty and colonialism, most Venezuelans viewed the intervention positively, seeing it as a break from an armed regime they could not remove themselves. The call explored how legitimacy, relief, and uncertainty coexist during abrupt political transitions.

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The conversation examined risks to special economic zones established under the previous regime. Stern explained that CryptoCity had been developed deliberately “by the book,” with extensive legal, environmental, and infrastructure studies, reducing exposure even if formal SEZ designations were revisited. Energy security was also discussed, including Venezuela’s dependence on the Guri hydroelectric system, recent outages, and Margarita’s partial local generation, reinforcing CryptoCity’s decision to pursue independent energy production.

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Participants also addressed foreign capital dynamics, particularly Chinese investment in Venezuelan infrastructure and oil, which was characterized as significant but cautious amid shifting U.S. influence. Dollarization was raised as a potential stabilizing outcome following years of hyperinflation.

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The call concluded with an update on Honduras from Alex Ugorji, where a delayed and contested election appeared to be resolving in favor of a transition away from socialist governance. While uncertainty remained, the consensus was that negotiated settlements around special economic zones such as Prospera and Ciudad Morazán were increasingly plausible.

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Overall, the episode captures a moment of cautious optimism marked by reopening signals, unresolved legitimacy questions, fragile infrastructure, and renewed global attention on special economic zones as tools for navigating political transitions.

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Bitcoin, Citadel Theory, Geoarbitrage, Capital Mobility, Privacy, Austrian Economics, citadel.garden, Family, Plan B, Private Communities, Optionality, Sovereignty, Free Cities

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Timothy Allen speaks with Rahim Taghizadegan.

Rahim is an Austrian economist and philosopher, founder of the Scholarium in Vienna, working in the Austrian School tradition on capital theory, entrepreneurship, and why political solutions consistently disappoint.

In this episode, he challenges deeply held assumptions about democracy, property, mobility, and what people mistake for security. He argues that freedom is not won through reform or participation, but through exit, optionality, and quiet preparation.

The conversation gradually reveals citadel.garden, a deliberately understated network of semi-private, family-oriented refuges, presented less as a utopia and more as insurance for those who see institutional decline coming but prefer not to advertise their response.

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SHOW SPONSOR: Veritas Villages: https://www.veritasvillages.com/freecities

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Veritas Villages are building off-grid, energy self-sufficient communities for freedom lovers in Latin America. Bitcoin is accepted at all villages, including for the purchase of property.

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Previous interviews with Patrick Hiebert, Founder of Veritas Villages:

EP 156: https://fountain.fm/episode/66NqAclTBh7FByIX7lCq

EP 107: https://fountain.fm/episode/Fh6uGwZvVtPsYsR53pTI

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