This week the Velo team is at Sea Otter covering the latest tech and Mike Levy is holding down the fort. In this episode, Levy sits down with New Zealander Joe Nation, a rider who possesses one of the most uniquely varied racing resumes in the sport.

Nation spent years following the mountain bike World Cup circuit as a privateer and racing in the Enduro World Series. Today, he’s trading three-minute downhill runs for events that span thousands of kilometers. He placed third overall at the 2023 Tour Divide and won the grueling 1,939-kilometer Silk Road Mountain Race across Kyrgyzstan in 2024.

Levy and Nation dig deep into the mindset required to survive these massive efforts, but they also look at the technology, the preferences, and the background that help Nation find success.

In this episode, we cover:

The Ultimate Dirtbag Origins: How Nation funded his European downhill racing by participating in clinical drug trials (earning the nickname "the white rat") and lived in a tent in the Morzine woods for two and a half months.

The 100mm BB Drop Aero Hack: For the Tour Divide, Nation’s friend built him a highly specialized bike through his company, Sufur Cycles. It features a massive 100mm bottom bracket drop designed purely for aerodynamics so he can get his head out of the wind.

Why Flat Bars Win: Nation pushes back on the trend of adding drop bars to everything, explaining how flat bars provide better leverage on steep climbs and save his hands from nerve damage.

The "Everyone is Dying" Superpower: Nation credits the realization that "when you are hurting, so is everyone else" as a major contributor to his ability to push through dark moments.

Psychological Warfare at 3,800 Meters: How hiding your exhaustion can break your competitors, which is exactly what Nation did when he attacked the leader at the top of a massive pass during the Silk Road Mountain Race.

Hunting for UFOs: It wouldn’t be a Levy interview without discussing the unexplainable things you might see while exhausted and isolated in the wilderness.

Episode Timestamps:

00:00 - Intro & Downhill Racing Background

06:37 - The Dirtbag Days and Drug Trials

12:22 - The Tour Divide & Ultra-Racing Mindset

29:44 - The "Everyone is Dying" Superpower

41:29 - Psychological Warfare on the Silk Road

46:08 - The Custom Sufur Cycles Bike & Flat Bars

48:44 - The 100mm BB Drop Aero Hack

59:41 - Hunting for UFOs on the Trail