David French and Skye Jethani debrief David's recent debate with Governor Chris Christie about online gambling at the University of Chicago. The conversation also tackles competing definitions of liberty, and the possibility of creating a political message to unify the country around popular reforms and why neither party will try it.

0:00 - Theme Song

1:40 - Was the Pete Hegseth Prayer Actually That Weird?

2:26 - The Church Built a Blasphemer

10:55 - Online Gambling Debate

24:05 - Restricting Freedom for Virtue

34:50 - Cultural Shift from Libertarianism

44:22 - Majority Opinion Ignored

53:12 - Right Problem, Wrong Solution

1:02:10 - End Credits

Chris Christie and David French's Debate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAmVu4WVG7Q&t=1s