Today on the flagship podcast of really old computers:

03:54 - Walt Mossberg, former Verge executive editor and longtime Wall Street Journal tech columnist, joins the show to discuss forty years of the Macintosh computer.

40:28 - Ali Abdaal chats about his new book "Feel Good Productivity: How to Do More of What Matters To You" and why overthinking your productivity system might not be such a good idea.

1:06:53 - David Pierce answers a question from the Vergecast Hotline about laptops.

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