This is the national security podcast crossover of the century! Or at least of the year...ok maybe of Spring 2022! For this special episode, Doyle Hodges of TNSR and "Horns of a Dilemma" hosts Zack Cooper, Melanie Marlowe, and Chris Preble of "Net Assessment." They try to sort through relations between Moscow and Beijing in this time of war, as well as a whole bunch of related issues. And yes, they engage in the airing of grievances, a "Net Assessment" tradition. Make sure you subscribe to their podcasts, which are a part of the War on the Rocks family.