After 34 years in the police and 25 years in homicide, it was former Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin’s job to catch killers. He worked on some of the biggest criminal cases in Australia, including the Lindt Cafe siege, the Bowraville murders, and the gruesome killing of drug dealer Terry Falconer.

But it was the case of William Tyrrell that would cost Gary his career. In 2020, he was convicted for illegally recording four conversations with a person of interest in that investigation. Overnight, he was taken off a case he’d spent four years searching for answers on. And now, many in his old career refuse to associate with him. 

So instead, he’s been befriending criminals who’ve done their time. Hardened ones…. the ones he used to be tasked with locking up. He wants to understand badness from the other side, to unpack what makes a human do evil things. 

He joins Gemma Bath today to talk about that journey.

CREDITS

Guest: Gary Jubelin

You can find out more about his new book Badness here.

Host: Gemma Bath

Executive Producer: Gia Moylan

Audio Producer: Madeline Joannou

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