The US-Mexico border has seen a surge of illegal crossings and apprehensions since the end of COVID-era restrictions. Alex Nowrasteh joins the podcast to talk about the situation at the US's southern border, why the perception of chaos matters more than the actual number of immigrants, and how we can build a less chaotic immigration system while still remaining open to immigration. 

Recommended reading:

Immigration game - can you make it legally? - https://www.thegreencardgame.com/

Podcast on Alex's book 'Wretched Refuse' - https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/immigrants-and-institutions-ft-alex-nowrasteh/id1390384827?i=1000515963839

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