Kelly sits down with science writer Jessica Nordell to talk about her new book “The End of Bias: A Beginning: The Science and Practice of Overcoming Unconscious Bias.”

“Laws create a floor; people determine the ceiling. In the space between floor and ceiling, the interpersonal moments matter.” 

“Having biased associations didn’t mean you were a bad person. It meant you existed in a culture.” 

“Our brains love to be right.”