Kelly connects with Rajiv Shah, the President of the Rockefeller Foundation and a former government official who oversaw USAID from 2010 to 2015. His new book is called “Big Bets: How Large-Scale Change Really Happens.”

“For centuries, two factors determined an individual’s capacity for solving the world’s problems: divinity and dollars.” 

“Money alone doesn’t deliver outcomes.” 

“Trying to change a whole system started with changing myself.”