Listener 1 
I listented to it today and I struggle with the concept to just go into the anxiety, without further explsnation or help. I always experienced it as total retraumatizing, litterally devastating. In trauma therapy you first establish some ressource like eg a stable feeling in some part of the body and then oscillate between the safe space and the anxiety to not overwhelm the system. I don't think this is always necessary but some sort of connection to a bigger picture, like the space that we are or something like that to hold the anxiety is necessary in my experience to not overwhelm the system and to be even helpful in some way, other ways it's just plane torture. In other words I think if we don't see what we are and use it as anker the going into the feeling is more harmful than not.

Listener 2 
Hear what you are saying. This morning’s experience has been physically exhausting with the sheer adrenaline of it, that I fell asleep at my laptop for a wee while. When I’m in the panic it does feel like a retraumatisation as it’s happened before but I think there is now a bit of distance from it. I find it very hard to go into it as Clare would say as am so lost at that stage that keeping real and away from the projections of the mind is a struggle. 

 @⁨Clare Dimond⁩ could our comments  be a follow up podcast please? Others may feel the same.