Welcome to this episode of Gospel Conversations and our continuing series on Cross and Creation. In this episode, we explain how penal substitution is an answer to the wrong question and we develop a better question with which to frame the cross and salvation.

In this episode of our Cross and Creation series, Andrew continues his summarising of the metaphors for the atonement.  He argues that every metaphor has its limits and cannot be pushed universally. But he argues that the adoption/sonship model of the atonement offers the best fit for the various metaphors, and that the alternative wrath of God/judicial model narrows and even distorts the grand sweep of the gospel story.

 

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In this talk Tony amplifies the intriguing phrase ‘Circle of Glory’ which David Bentley Hart mentioned in his final talk in our recent GC series. The phrase was coined by Gregory of Nyssa and Tony explores the extraordinary vision of the Trinity bound up in the term – and how it reveals our participation in the ‘circle of glory’. Tony does this by a detailed commentary on the original treatise of Gregory’s where ‘circle of glory’ is the climax to a transcendent vision of God and creation.

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Session 5 - What is humanity’s destiny and purpose? Is heaven more like a marriage or a motel visit?

In this final talk, David advocates the age-old vision of the Patristics that ‘God became human in order that humanity may become God’. This breathtaking vision is at once completely orthodox, but almost sounds blasphemous. Together Tony and David explore this vision of ‘deification’ through the work of Gregory of Nyssa and his touching homily on marriage as the culminating picture of the union between God and humanity.

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Session 4 - Is the Incarnation a master plan or a rescue plan?

David builds on his epic book ‘YOU ARE GODS’ in this session, and widens our view of the incarnation from being a one-off rescue plan, to the master plan for all humanity. Clearly this is an intriguing thought, but it takes some deep conceptual shifts to absorb and that is what Tony and David dive into in the latter half of this fascinating topic.

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Session 3 - Has the ‘supernatural/natural’ dualism messed up our view of creation? 

David explains how both religious and secular thinking share a common dualism that distorts our view of reality. For the religious mind, the supernatural God becomes totally separate from the world of nature which it sees as material and fallen. So David and Tony turn to the mesmerising thought of Maximus the Confessor to find a more integrated view of God and creation in the wondrous vision of a ‘cosmic liturgy’.  And they argue that God has placed humanity at the centre of this cosmic liturgy as the conductor of the orchestra.

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Session 2 - Has ‘original sin’ distorted the Christian view of humanity?

Augustine’s doctrine of original sin eventually became ‘total depravity’ and it assumes that humans are intrinsically bad and cannot desire the good. It has become the pervasive anthropology of much of Christianity – but is it right? David and Tony explore the alternative view through the theology of the great Nicholas of Cusa who declared that at heart all humans desire the good – and thus they desire God.

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Session 1 - Is the mind a machine?

Nothing is more topical than the spectre of ‘artificial intelligence’ and the grim picture of humanity it suggests. David uses our experience of thought and language to demolish the fallacies behind this mechanistic picture of thinking. But he does not end there. He lifts our vision of language from a personal experience to a participation in something bigger than all of us – transcendence and the divine mind.

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The 2023 Pamela Nutt lecture, sponsored by PLC, Sydney.

David Bentley Hart addresses the subject, "What does Beauty tell us about God?"

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In this latest edition in the Cross and Creation series, Tony and Andrew explore some of the metaphors for what happened at Calvary. None of them really fit the Penal Substitution metaphor.  They range over several metaphors like reconciliation, and redemption, but focus in on adoption and dominion; Calvary was the great battle for dominion of the cosmos, and we are adopted into that kingship won at Calvary.  The episode begins with a recap of our journey thus far.

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