The Peter McCormack Show

Grayscale, the SEC & Genesis with Michael Sonnenshein - WBD623


Listen Later

Michael Sonnenshein is the CEO of Grayscale. In this interview, we discuss Grayscale’s lawsuit with the SEC, Genesis’s lending practices and bankruptcy, GBTC and the intercompany relationships at DCG.

- - - -

The Grayscale Bitcoin Trust (GBTC) brought institutional investment into Bitcoin and helped Bitcoin to mature. Launched in 2013, as a subsidiary of the Digital Currency Group (DCG), it was devised as an official means of gaining exposure to Bitcoin for high-net-worth entities. Many, including Grayscale, have sought to provide a spot price ETF, but, in the absence of SEC approval, GBTC has served as an attractive alternative investment vehicle. In November 2021, GBTC had over $43 billion AUM.

GBTC is one of many funds Grayscale provides covering a plethora of digital assets, including Ethereum, Solana, Zcash and Bitcoin Cash. However, GBTC is the most dominant: at this moment GBTC represents nearly 75% of Grayscale's total AUM. With its 2% annual fee based on Bitcoin’s spot price, GBTC is a valuable part of Grayscale and DCG's portfolio. At the current Bitcoin price, GBTC commands approximately $420m in fees.

Grayscale is currently dealing with some major issues. Since early 2021 GBTC has been trading below its net asset value (NAV). This discount is currently hovering around all-time lows at 46%. GBTC holders cannot redeem their shares for the underlying asset. They have to sell their shares in an open market and shoulder this discount. Those not forced to sell feel effectively trapped.

Grayscale is subject to a number of investor lawsuits, and an activist campaign seeking to unseat Grayscale as the manager of GBTC. Concurrently, Grayscale is suing the SEC over the latter's refusal to convert GBTC into an ETF. The mechanisms of an ETF allow for arbitrage trading keeping the share price aligned with NAV. This is Grayscale’s strategy for reducing the current GBTC discount.

Grayscale has also been caught up in the bankruptcy of the crypto lending firm Genesis, another subsidiary of DCG. According to a Financial Times report, DCG is selling shares in Grayscale funds, “at a steep discount” to pay back Genesis creditors. There are more fundamental questions about the role of Genesis’s lending. According to Bitcoinist, the failed hedge fund Three Arrows Capital took a $2.36 billion loan from Genesis backed by 17 million GBTC shares.

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

The Peter McCormack ShowBy Peter McCormack

  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8

4.8

2,137 ratings


More shows like The Peter McCormack Show

View all
TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast by Marty Bent

TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

756 Listeners

Bitcoin Audible by Guy Swann

Bitcoin Audible

428 Listeners

The Bitcoin Standard Podcast by Dr. Saifedean Ammous

The Bitcoin Standard Podcast

426 Listeners

Stephan Livera Podcast by Stephan Livera

Stephan Livera Podcast

419 Listeners

The Pomp Podcast by Anthony Pompliano

The Pomp Podcast

1,832 Listeners

What Bitcoin Did by Danny Knowles

What Bitcoin Did

226 Listeners

The Wolf Of All Streets by Scott Melker

The Wolf Of All Streets

225 Listeners

Swan Signal Live - A Bitcoin Show by Swan Bitcoin

Swan Signal Live - A Bitcoin Show

184 Listeners

The Bitcoin Matrix by Cedric Youngelman

The Bitcoin Matrix

85 Listeners

The "What is Money?" Show by Robert Breedlove

The "What is Money?" Show

663 Listeners

Coin Stories by Natalie Brunell

Coin Stories

402 Listeners

Simply Bitcoin by Simply Bitcoin

Simply Bitcoin

82 Listeners

Rabbit Hole Recap by ODELL and Marty Bent

Rabbit Hole Recap

120 Listeners

THE Bitcoin Podcast by Walker America

THE Bitcoin Podcast

33 Listeners

The Jack Mallers Show by Jack Mallers

The Jack Mallers Show

97 Listeners