Significant trigger warning from this episode with our Guest Ellen Lacter, PhD, who studies ritual abuse. She explains several different dissociative responses with some specific examples. She defines extreme abuse and ritual abuse, with examples. She explains the distinction between these and trafficking. She clarified why it is more accurate to reference child pornography as “production of child rape and torture materials”. She is explains why the term “organizational abuse” is inadequate. Programming and mid control are also discussed, with examples, including new alters created by abusers, as well as how it undone by making it conscious. She talks about her research into helping these survivors, as well as sharing ways to reach out for help and find a therapist available to help with these issues. As specific examples of extreme abuse are given, please consciously and intentionally care for yourself during and after listening to this episode, and keep yourself safe during and after listening.