Today's guest is Harry Kargman, founder of the mobile advertising company Kargo. What started as a mobile platform to sell ringtones quickly shifted to advertising once the ringtone market was gutted. To say you've been in the industry since ringtone sales were popular is a flex that not many mobile advertisers can make. Harry has grown Kargo in tandem with the rise in popularity of the mobile phone and has been quick to maneuver his company as trends come and go. His decades of experience have made him an expert in mobile advertising, and our conversation today is full of insight that is sure to make you re-think how you interact with your phone.

Listen in as we cover everything from why most see data as the Holy Grail (and why they're wrong), how the GoDaddy Super Bowl commercials are proof that marketing works, and what the infamous Fyre Festival got right.