In this episode, Stephanie McPhail interviews Stephanie Brislin and Jenny Jones about their experiences with toxic relationships and addiction.

Key Points:

1. Both guests discuss how their relationships with alcohol started socially but progressed to using it to cope with emotions and life stresses.

2. The normalization of drinking culture, especially for mothers, contributed to making their alcohol use seem normal even as it became problematic.

3. Addressing the underlying issues that lead to substance abuse, like low self-esteem and avoidance of problems, is important for healing rather than just stopping the behavior.

The guests encourage anyone questioning their relationship with alcohol or other substances to start paying attention to their motivations for using and to seek non-judgmental support from professionals to gain insight and tools for healthier coping strategies.

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