Dr. E shares about the sessions she attended on day two of the Healing Together conference. She expresses frustration with the McClean Hospital outreach team not collaborating with survivors already involved in advocacy and outreach, as that borders on appropriation. She also shares information from two sessions with Susan Pease Banitt. These provided new insight regarding past experiences with bad therapists, as well as good therapists who ruptured the therapeutic alliance. Confident their current therapist is “strong enough” for Emma and her system, and skilled at repairing those ruptures from previous therapists and other trauma, Dr. E struggles to remain present as Emma’s System realizes it’s time to get back to work in therapy. There is a reference to ritual abuse as mentioned in the session, but not in detail. Besides difficult experiences with previous therapists, no other memories or trauma specific issues are discussed in this episode.