On today’s episode of Hear Me Out… yas, queen?

It’s been hard to avoid an onslaught of memes about bad people lately. People like Gypsy-Rose Blanchard and George Santos have been punished for their misdeeds in one way… but now, it seems, they’re being rewarded by the attention economy. The question is: is it our fault?

Rachel Greenspan, writer and social strategist, joins us once again to argue for discretion in memeing.

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Podcast production by Maura Currie.

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