In this conversation Helen Garlick discusses her book 'No Place to Lie' and the impact of family secrets. She shares her personal experience of discovering her brother's suicide and her mother's hidden sexuality after their deaths. The central themes of the book include family secrets, the power of communication, connection, and community, and the importance of love. Helen emphasizes the healing process and taking responsibility for our own healing. She also discusses the challenges of living with secrets and the impact they have on relationships and self-identity. Helen Garlick discusses the impact of family secrets and the power of writing to heal and transform.  Helen emphasizes the importance of talking about and sharing our stories to lift the shame and isolation associated with family secrets. She also discusses the therapeutic benefits of writing and the process of writing her memoir. Helen encourages others to write their own stories and offers writing retreats to help people explore and express their experiences. She concludes by recommending the healing power of nature and the importance of connecting with the wildness around us.