This podcast is a conversation between Dr Jan Aldridge, Consultant Clinical Psychologist at Martin House Children’s Hospice, Yorkshire, and Dr Bob Phillips, Consultant Paediatric Oncologist, about the challenges of working directly with children who are dying and their families. It’s based on a great paper from the Education and Practice section (ep.bmj.com/content/102/4/182) and we hope it brings to life some of the challenges we face. Conversation on this welcome!