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My loyal audience is accustomed to tuning in to my interviews with hiking and backpacking guides.  But today, I'm taking a detour to speak with an interesting guy named Nathan (Nate) Pipenberg. I was reading an article titled "The Best Backpacking Packs for Any Adventure" on the Outside app.  At the bottom of the article, it reads, "Meet our testers." Nate Pipenberg was listed as a tester, so I decided to approach meeting him literally and interview him for you today. 

Nate writes a biweekly column for Backpacker Magazine and is the category manager for sleeping bags, sleeping pads, and trekking poles at Outside Magazine. Below is a sampling of some discussion topics:

- What’s the day in the life of a gear tester?

- Make your pitch about why new backpackers should go ultralight.

- Nate discusses an anecdote about Glen Van Peski, a pioneer in ultralight backpacking and founder of Gossamer Gear, a functional ultralight backpacking and hiking gear company.

- What inspired you to embrace ultralight backpacking?

- Define what base weight means.

- Comment on an anecdote from John Mackey, co-founder of Whole Foods, in the foreword to Glen's book "take less. do more.".

- What is the price someone would need to spend to achieve an ultralight base weight compared to a conventional backpack packing approach?

- What are some beginning steps someone can take to lighten their load?

- What are the most essential pieces of gear for someone transitioning to ultralight backpacking?

- Explain the Big 4 in the realm of backpacking: 1 - Backpack, 2 - Tent (or shelter), 3 - Sleeping Bag or Quilt, 4 - Sleeping Pad

- What are the initial ultralight gear items to invest in?

- What are some ultralight gear company brand names you recommend?

- What does ‘packing your fears’ mean?

- What common gear mistakes do beginners make when trying to go ultralight?

- In general, what are some unnecessary items people bring backpacking?

- Is there one item you always bring that you’d coach someone not to carry but you do anyway despite the extra weight?

- Discuss getting in shape for backpacking, especially ascending and elevation gain.

- Glen Van Peski mentioned that according to John Mackey, the third day of a backpacking trip is the most challenging, but it gets easier after that. How long does it take to get in shape just by hiking on the Appalachian Trail, for example?

- Hikers rarely have a point of reference to appreciate what goes into building hiking trails.  Explain more so they can understand the process.

- What is the difference between East Coast trails and West Coast trails?

- What is your Musical Trekking recommendation?

Nathan Pipenberg
https://pipenberg.com/

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My name is Marcus Shapiro. I am a hiking strength and conditioning coach and founder of FitForTrips.com. Today, I had the privilege of speaking with one of my Kilimanjaro trekking clients. His name is David, and he was 65 at the time of his successful Kilimanjaro summit. Our conversation revealed the elements that led to his climbing achievement. This was an honor and a pleasure for me. I am grateful to receive David’s endorsement. Enjoy the conversation...

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Oh, so you don’t know who Sunny Stroeer is? Do you know what an FKT is? Have you heard a clear explanation of how to hike successfully at high altitudes? Do you think trekking poles are for wimps? Sunny provides answers to these questions and more. So what are you waiting for? Click play now!

In this really fun interview, Marcus Shapiro skillfully draws valuable insights from Sunny Stroeer’s expertise in extreme hiking as she simplifies the information into actionable steps. She is the co-owner of Dreamland Safari Tours, founder of AWExpeditions, professional photographer, Harvard graduate, professional endurance athlete, and set speed records across the globe.   Don’t worry, you won’t feel inferior.  She is dedicated to motivating individuals to choose challenging hikes and backpacking trips outside of their comfort zones. Below is a sampling of discussion topics:

-Tell us about your Aconcagua FKT record attempt.

-AWExpeditions will plot out a trajectory for women to set lofty adventure goals.  Tell me about that. 

-Recall events that led to you and your husband Paul deciding to purchase Dreamland Safari Tours.

-What region of the US do Dreamland Safari Tour itineraries cover, and make a pitch why hikers would love to explore the area?

-What attributes do you hope to find in your clients from a physical and mental perspective?

-Share your training philosophy as it relates to preparing for the challenging Grand Canyon Deer Creek / Thunder River Loop itinerary.

-Let’s talk about these three itineraries and what makes them so special: Paria Canyon Backpack, The Wave Tour, and Grand Canyon Deer Creek / Thunder River Loop

-Let’s talk about Kilimanjaro or Everest Base Camp because they are non-technical higher-altitude climbs, very accessible, and have a high success rate for clients who commit to do the necessary preparation. One of the concerns for many clients is breathing at altitude. The conventional wisdom is that you can’t train for altitude.   
- Can you flush this out for the listeners?

-Provide solutions for these three common concerns.
1 - The endurance to climb uphill.
2 - Knee pain going downhill.
3 - Keeping up with the group.

-Address how you fuel in these situations.
1 - Pushing yourself for time where you want to stop as infrequently as possible.
2 - Hiking at high altitudes.

-Do you have any tips on using trekking poles to get the most out of them?

-How did you handle injuries in the past when you had an exciting adventure planned that you might have to cancel?

Sunny Stroeer / https://www.sunnystroeer.com / Awesome video
Dreamland Safari Tours / https://dreamlandtours.net
AWExpeditions / https://awexpeditions.org

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As you read this, take a moment to ask yourself: Would I benefit from testing my mental and physical capabilities? If you answer yes, I have an alternative to endurance obstacle courses like Tough Mudder or Spartan Race. Consider challenging yourself by going on a backpacking adventure through some of the most iconic areas in the contiguous United States, where you'll be guided by experienced professionals (a.k.a. Team Leaders) who prioritize your safety and help you achieve your full physical and mental potential.

Marcus Shapiro talks today with Christopher Casado, the founder of TSX Challenge, and one of his team leaders, Alyssa Whoaa.  They will tease your imagination and desires with details of amazing itineraries in the Grand Canyon, remote regions of the Sierra like Mt. Whitney and the John Muir Wilderness, and remote sections of the Northern California coastline. They offer insights into the benefits of pushing your limits while backpacking in the remote wilderness. And I promise they will earn your trust.

So, listen with an open mind, book a TSX Challenge hike, and get in shape for perhaps the most consequential adventure of your life.  Below is a sampling of discussion topics:

-Why did you start this bold endeavor you called TSX Challenge?

-Why do you call your guides 'Team leaders'?

-Alyssa, you can work for any backpacking company; why TSX Challenge? 

-Explain these phrases you have on your site and why they are important: 
- regular people doing incredible things
- do things as teams
- team member and team leader
- at some point, you have to dig deep and help someone or get help
- challenges bring people together
- bring what you learn on the trip with you to work or family

-Alyssa, what do you get from leading these unique backpacking trips?

-Explain the tradition of ‘thorns and roses’ around the campfire.

-Let's play this game...  I'll read off an itinerary, and you tell me the first thing that comes to mind:
- Trans-Sierra Mt. Whitney
- Hell For Sure
- Lost Coast
- Tehipite Valley
- Mount Goddard
- Grand Canyon Challenge
- Thunder River
- Escalante Route
- Jumpup Canyon
- Rim-to-Rim XC
- The Confluence

-What is unique about the Mt. Whitney trails you choose for your clients to hike?

-What is your pitch to people to book your Mount Whitney trip?

-Alyssa, what do you love about Mount Whitney?

-What makes your Rim to Rim itinerary different than the iconic routes on North Kaibab, South Kaibab, and Bright Angel?

-Let's talk about getting in shape for your backpacking trips.

-What are your thoughts about mental toughness hiking in the wilderness?

-How do you motivate your clients when they are having a rough day?

-Provide 3 tips for packing a backpack.
 
-Share advice on hiking shoes.

-Share thoughts on ultra-light backpacking.

Christopher Casado / TSX Challenge
https://tsxchallenge.com

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To all you hikers out there who want to give mountaineering a go, this episode is for you.  Marcus flushes out some fantastic knowledge from Karsten Delap, founder of Pisgah Climbing School.  He is one of 200 people in the United States with the IFMGA licensed mountain guide certification.  And he is the only one who lives in the Southeast.  IFMGA stands for International Federation of Mountain Guides Association.

Karsten is a highly respected mountain guide and will help you understand how to transition from hiking to mountaineering.  And Marcus’ goal today is to give you the confidence to go for it.  Below is a sampling of discussion topics:

- Define mountaineering.

- What is the history of hiking as a recreational activity, and what is its relationship to mountaineering?

- When does hiking become mountaineering?

- What are the different physical requirements between hiking and mountaineering?

- Define mountaineering, mountain climbing, alpine climbing, and anything related.

- Are snow and glaciers required to be considered mountaineering?

- If you climb 14ers in Colorado in June when there is little snow, is it mountaineering?

- Let’s discuss getting in shape for mountaineering.

- How do you get in shape for mountaineering if you live in flat or urban areas and can’t hike frequently or at all due to traditional work schedules?

- Karsten, how do you generally approach a physical training routine 12 weeks out or more from a challenging climb?

- How does physical conditioning for climbing differ from hiking?

- What mental skills are essential for climbing, and how can they be developed?

- What signs, symptoms, and failings do deconditioned climbers experience during a mountaineering experience?  And generally, what do you think they could have done more of?

- In a previous discussion, you cautioned against having a myopic view of training for Mt Rainier—for example, after hearing a podcast like this and then going for it. What's your concern?

- List next-level mountaineering experiences that can be done in a day or two domestically in the United States.

- How do you suggest gradually progressing from easier climbs to more challenging routes?

- What do you learn in a mountaineering class?

- What technical skills can a client work on their own vs with you?

- Discuss climbing gear.

Karsten Delap / Pisgah Climbing School
https://www.pisgahclimbingschool.com/ & https://www.karstendelap.com/

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Let's delve into the world of Half Dome hiking, a thrilling Yosemite National Park adventure that requires both safety precautions and a strong dose of motivation. Marcus Shapiro turns to Scott Gehrman, founder of Lasting Adventures, for expertise on the subject. He has summited Half Dome 150+ times with clients brave enough to ascend and descend this majestic peak.

After speaking with Scott, Marcus concluded that his clients' summit success is a testament to the confidence he exudes to his hiking groups. This guy knows everything about Half Dome, and his clients know it and trust him. Below is a sampling of discussion topics:

- What safety and motivational advice do you have for ascending and descending Half Dome?

- How can you overcome the intimidation of ascending and descending Half Dome?

- Share cable route instructions you impart to your hiking groups.

- How do you explain passing or letting hikers pass on the cable route?

- What technique do you recommend for ascending and descending?

- Discuss fitness tips you provide to your backpacking and hiking clients.

- Discuss safety gear that some Half Dome hikers use.

- What kind of shoes and gloves should you wear on the cable route?

- Can you leave your gear at the base of Half Dome?

- How much time does it take to complete a round trip?

- Discuss attempting a summit when the cables are down.

- How do snow and rain affect the Half Dome experience?

- Discuss how to avoid falling.

- Discuss the backpacking itineraries you offer that end with a Half Dome summit.

- Discuss what months the cable route is intact.

- Share details about the Mist Trail.

- Talk about accessing permits to summit Half Dome.

Scott Gehrman / Lasting Adventures
https://lastingadventures.com/

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Marcus Shapiro is joined by Dave Fatula, White Mountains hiking expert and founder of Guineafowl Adventure Company.  Dave successfully makes a strong pitch for why hiking in the White Mountains (in New Hampshire) is one of the most fun, beautiful, and rugged destinations in the Lower 48. Your challenge is to listen and then ask yourself how long you can resist before having to experience hikes in the Whites for yourself.  He calls the White Mountains, Boston’s Backyard.  Marcus and Dave talk fitness, trails you should hike, spectacular views above the treeline and much more… Below is a sampling of discussion topics:

- Why is it important to feel, see, challenge, and immerse yourself in nature and what’s unique about the ruggedness of the White Mountains?

- Make your pitch to the Northeasterner to hike in the White Mountains.

- Make your pitch to the hikers out West who will belittle the 4000-footers vs 14,000-foot peaks.

- Talk about the challenging trails that sometimes go straight up and down without switchbacks and why that is. 

- Hiking in the White Mountains vs Adirondacks vs Mahoosucs.

- Discuss the overwhelming number of stunning views above the tree line in the unique alpine tundra.

- Talk about the iconic Mount Washington hike and important safety measures you should take.

- Discuss peak bagging the 48 peaks within New Hampshire and one in Maine, over 4,000 feet, known as the four-thousand footers.

Let’s discuss the technical nature of the White Mountain National Forest and how a proper fitness level makes hiking much more fun, rewarding, and safe.

- Favorite musical band for Musical Trekking.

- Discuss some beginner, intermediate, and challenging hikes in the White Mountains.

- Discuss that the White Mountain National Forest is home to some of the most formidable terrain on the entire Appalachian Trail.

- What is the most common positive thing people say about the entire experience when hiking with the Guineafowl Adventure Company for the first time?

Dave Fatula / Guineafowl Adventure Company
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Marcus Shapiro is joined by Mags and Olly - Tour du Mont Blanc experts!  They both share a passion for the Tour du Mont Blanc hike a.k.a. TMB.  After listening to the discussion, you will feel confident about committing to this iconic hike.  Below is a sampling of some discussion topics:

- Make your pitch for why someone should pick the TMB if they could only make one trip this year.

- What is the most common fitness question you get?

- Do you find a difference in fitness levels between self-guided and guided travelers?

- When someone has to abandon the TMB due to low fitness, what do you think they left out of their program?

- What is the biggest surprise most people experience on TMB?

- What do your guides find most people struggle with on TMB?

- What surprises most people when they begin researching TMB?

- Do many people underestimate the elevation gain per day?

- Describe the most challenging 2 stages and why.

- What percentage of hikers take on one variant or more?

- What would be a good target pack weight to aim for in different scenarios?

- Most hikers hike anti-clockwise so that the views of Mont Blanc are always in front of them, but there are advantages to hiking clockwise. Please discuss.

- It is common to Cover the entire Tour du Mont Blanc in 11 days. Detail other ways to experience the TMB.

Mags is omnipresent online, providing confidence to those who want to hike the TMB without a guide.  Olly is the operations director, managing the running of all the trips for Adventure Base and will get you all set to hike with a guide.  They are both based in Chamonix in the French Alps and live at the foot of Mont Blanc - the start/finish of the famous multi-day trekking route - Tour du Mont Blanc.

Mags Nixon
https://tourdumontblanchike.com/

Olly Alkema / Adventure Base
https://adventurebase.com/

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Marcus Shapiro is joined by Will Burkhart,  owner of Badass Adventures.  Will has Guided and hiked the Grand Canyon Rim to Rim 55+ times and is one of the experts you should listen to before dropping into the canyon.  There are excellent hiking guides, and then there are badass guides like Will. 

His confidence and competence were forged by his years as a marine, a professional adventure race pioneer, and a hiking guide for decades, leading easy hikes to high-altitude summits.  Marcus and Will discuss R2R training, whether to cross North to South or vice versa, and much more.  Train | Hike | Repeat

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