Join Kevin Sweeney, host of The Church Needs Therapy podcast and author of The Making of a Mystic: My Journey with Mushrooms, My Life as a Pastor, and Why It's Okay for Everyone to Relax" and "The Joy of Letting Go" as he and Kim discuss the ingredients of surrender and how it might not be what we think it is. Kevin is a calm, compassionate man whose perspective on his relationship with God is refreshing and very encouraging. His new book is fire! Check out our podcast and grab his new book, "The Joy of Letting Go."

• Love
• Surrender
• Learning from the mystics
• Letting go of what you created
• Being in self not being obsessed with SELF

Ether Perel quote, “Love rests on two pillars: surrender and autonomy. Our need for togetherness exists alongside our need for separateness. One does not exist without the other.”