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Stop guessing your training and race pace! In this episode of the Marathon Handbook Podcast, hosts Michael Doyle, Coach Katelyn Tocci, and Alex Cyr break down how to scientifically and practically discover your true race and training pace — without falling into common runner traps.
We explore:
Whether you’re gunning for a sub-3 marathon, aiming for a PR in the 10K, or just want to train more efficiently, this episode is your definitive guide to realistic and smart pacing strategies.
🔗 Resources Mentioned:
▶ VDOT Calculator by Jack Daniels
▶ McMillan Running Calculator
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🎧 Listen to the podcast:
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⏱️ Timestamps / Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:00 - Why Most Runners Guess Their Pace Wrong
06:50 - The 6 Pacing Traps Runners Fall Into
07:50 - #1: The Marathon Mathematician
12:18 - #2: The Legacy PR Guy
16:47 - #3: The Copycat
22:20 - #4: The Tempo Merchant
29:35 - #5: The Round Number Chaser
34:45 - #6: The Negative Split Fantasist
38:10 - Tools to Find Your Real Race Pace
39:30 - Using Time Trials and VDOT
42:50 - Recent Race Results as Fitness Predictors
45:30 - How to Use Pace Calculators (VDOT, McMillan)
49:45 - Short vs Long Race Prediction Accuracy
56:50 - RPE and Recovery Runs
59:30 - Final Thoughts + How To Apply This In Training
1:01:00 - Upcoming Reviews & Channel Updates
Our free marathon training plans:
https://marathonhandbook.com/trainingplans/marathon-training-plans/
Follow us on IG: https://instagram.com/marathon.handbook
Follow us on Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marathon.handbook
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Stop guessing your training and race pace! In this episode of the Marathon Handbook Podcast, hosts Michael Doyle, Coach Katelyn Tocci, and Alex Cyr break down how to scientifically and practically discover your true race and training pace — without falling into common runner traps.
We explore:
Whether you’re gunning for a sub-3 marathon, aiming for a PR in the 10K, or just want to train more efficiently, this episode is your definitive guide to realistic and smart pacing strategies.
🔗 Resources Mentioned:
▶ VDOT Calculator by Jack Daniels
▶ McMillan Running Calculator
📩 Sign up for our newsletter: https://marathonhandbook.com/newsletter
🎧 Listen to the podcast:
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7o72muiWY6TSNrwfzirqH6?si=4cf9310996e14ae6
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marathon-handbook-podcast/id1687070922
📺 Subscribe for more running videos: https://www.youtube.com/@marathonhandbook?sub_confirmation=1
⏱️ Timestamps / Chapters
00:00 - Intro
01:00 - Why Most Runners Guess Their Pace Wrong
06:50 - The 6 Pacing Traps Runners Fall Into
07:50 - #1: The Marathon Mathematician
12:18 - #2: The Legacy PR Guy
16:47 - #3: The Copycat
22:20 - #4: The Tempo Merchant
29:35 - #5: The Round Number Chaser
34:45 - #6: The Negative Split Fantasist
38:10 - Tools to Find Your Real Race Pace
39:30 - Using Time Trials and VDOT
42:50 - Recent Race Results as Fitness Predictors
45:30 - How to Use Pace Calculators (VDOT, McMillan)
49:45 - Short vs Long Race Prediction Accuracy
56:50 - RPE and Recovery Runs
59:30 - Final Thoughts + How To Apply This In Training
1:01:00 - Upcoming Reviews & Channel Updates
Our free marathon training plans:
https://marathonhandbook.com/trainingplans/marathon-training-plans/
Follow us on IG: https://instagram.com/marathon.handbook
Follow us on Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@marathon.handbook
Like us on FB: https://facebook.com/marathonhandbook
Follow us on X: https://x.com/MarathonHB
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