I get so many books and pitches that come across my desk. There are so many talented4w authors, pastors and leaders out there and I wish I could have every one of them on. I always pray for discernment on which guests to put in front of you.

When the new book, Rebranding the Church by Dr. Eric Mason, came across my desk, I was definitely intrigued. Dr. Mason planted a church in a tough neighborhood in Philly over 19 years ago. He’s a passionate pastor, husband and father that is leaning into important conversations for unity in the church. 

This conversation challenged my thinking and I pray it does that for you too. In today’s episode, Dr Mason and I talk about the state of the church and the constant division we are seeing. Are we being a light to our cities? Are we unified with other believers or treating them like enemies? What is the image the world sees with church leadership?

I hope this stirs your thinking (like it did for me) and challenges you to lead my family well in the area of church unity. My favorite part is towards the end when he talks about his approach to Christian parenting. He has his kids listen to podcasts and it invites them to ask questions around faith. He encourages us to invite dialogue into our home. I love that he is an intentional and present dad in the midst of pastoring thousands of people.

Enjoy!

Courtney

Chapters:

(00:00) Introduction and Family Dynamics

(05:03) Navigating the Church's Image and Unity

(10:00) Leadership Challenges in Modern Church

(22:42) Parenting in a Complex Spiritual Landscape

(27:39) The Importance of Presence in Parenting

(29:15) Breaking the Soil of the Heart

(30:12) Unity in the Midst of Division

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Resources from today’s show:

Connect with Dr. Eric Mason

Epiphany Fellowship

Thriving Ministry

Rebranding The Church book

Dwell Bible in a Year 

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