How can we get out of bed each morning? Alan Noble's On Getting Out of Bed is a gentle reminder to do the next right thing when you or someone you love experiences mental affliction. In this conversation, Bryce Hales and Ashley Hales talk about Alan's work, what the redemption of Jesus means for depression and anxiety, and how to move beyond performing our pain.

Resources mentioned:

Alan's latest book, On Getting Out of Bed

Alan's other books: Disruptive Witness and You are Not Your Own

Ashley's latest book, A Spacious Life

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The Cartographers is a production of Willowbrae Institute. Find out more at willowbrae.org. The Cartographers is hosted by Bryce Hales and Ashley Hales and mixed and edited by Nathan Michel.

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