Charlie Hu is the Co-Founder of Bitlayer. In this conversation we talk about bitcoin, current state of DeFi, why it’s bringing together Asian retail and Western institutions, evaluating TVL as a metric, what Bitlayer is building, and the potential future for bitcoin ETF staking?

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• 0:54 - Intro
• 2:00 - Bringing Asian retail investors and Western institutions together
• 6:39 - Takeaways from Vietnam
• 8:30 - Current state of DeFi
• 11:24 - What does Bitcoin DeFi mean?
• 24:06 - Bitlayer business
• 30:01 - Bitcoin ETF staking
• 32:27 - Bitcoin as a productive vs non-productive asset
• 37:59 - Is ‘Total Value Locked’ a good metric?
• 40:28 - Where to find Charlie and Bitlayer