What is the difference between meditation and therapy and how can they support each other? How do you start a meditation practice and what are its benefits? Trudy Goodman is a psychotherapist, founder of InsightLA, and expert meditation teacher. In this episode, Diana sits down with Trudy to discuss her twisty-turny life, including her early training with Piaget, her friendship with Jon Kabat-Zinn, and her relationship with Jack Kornfield. At the end of the episode, Trudy shares a simple practice to take meditation off the cushion and into your everyday life.

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