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0:28 Why Max helped organize the 2023 “Pause AI” letter 7:12 AI as a species not a technology 12:32 The rate of AI progress since 2023 21:44 Loss of control is the biggest risk 32:42 How to get the NatSec community’s attention 36:12 How we could lose control 38:17 He we stay in control 47:30 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Max Tegmark (MIT, Future of Life Institute, Life 3.0). Recorded April 30, 2025.

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