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This week’s podcast is special because the guest is my friend and comedian Catherine Saint Siena, whom I was this close to starting a podcast with earlier this year before everything imploded, so I’m considering this ep a peek into a parallel universe. For the first time I’ve split this conversation into two parts. This first one is all about workism: the American zeal for work-as-identity, the unlikely impacts of that, the ways we’ve felt it, and how we want to challenge it. (In case you missed it, I answered a question about this in my last newsletter.) Part two is all about romantic relationships and the pivotal moment when you’re deciding whether to stay or go (another question I answered last week). We both have so many stories and ideas about both that we didn’t shut the f**k up for nearly two hours, hence two parts. Here is a photo Catherine took for her Instagram so she could make a joke about CEOs, but can you believe she looks like this:

Some links to things we mention: “On Self-Respect,” by Joan Didion“Workism Is Making Americans Miserable,” by Derek Thompson for The Atlantic“Is There Such a Thing as a Dream Job?” by Sarah Jaffe for Dame MagazineDo What You Love: And Other Lies About Success and Happiness by Miya Tokumitsu“Readers Discuss American Workism and Its Discontents” by The Atlantic”Why Are Young People Pretending to Love Work?” by Erin Griffith for The TimesThis interview with Elizabeth Anderson about how modern workplaces are run like dictatorships for Jacobin

Thanks for listening!Haley

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