Author Adharanand Finn chats with world trail running champion, multiple world Skyrunning champion and obstacle racing superstar Jon Albon. Despite hailing from the flatlands of Essex, Albon has won some of the world's biggest mountain races and has his eyes set on even bigger goals. Here he talks about finding a flow state, the benefits of cross training, the joy of Coke, and why he hopes that trail running never makes it into the Olympics.

Adharanand Finn is the author of three award-winning books, Running with the Kenyans (2012), The Way of the Runner (2014), and the Rise of the Ultra Runners (2019). Follow The Way of the Runner podcast on Instagram: @thewayoftherunner or find it at thewayoftherunner.com

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Music by Starfrosch