In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer

A conversation about power, fear, nationalism, and the rewriting of American history.

Keri Ladner joins Frank Schaeffer for a conversation about the rise of Christian nationalism and the mythology surrounding America’s founding.

They discuss the Religious Right, the Seven Mountain Mandate, January 6th, white extremism, and the growing influence of authoritarian politics inside evangelical culture.

The conversation also turns toward immigration, fear, nationalism, neo-confederacy, and the role of powerful tech figures shaped by apartheid-era politics and ideology who are reshaping public life in America and beyond.

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LINKS

Keri Ladner on Substack

American Dominion: The Rise and Radicalization of a New Christendom on Bookshop

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

Jonathan Tepper joins Frank Schaeffer to discuss his memoir Shooting Up: A Memoir of Love, Loss, and Addiction.

The conversation explores growing up in Madrid during the AIDS crisis, missionary life among heroin addicts, the loss of Jonathan’s younger brother, literature, homeschooling, faith, suffering, and the role empathy plays in shaping human life.

Frank and Jonathan also reflect on Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, prayer, grief, and the troubling loss of compassion inside modern American evangelical politics.
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LINKS

https://jonathan-tepper.com

Shooting Up: A Memoir of Love, Loss, and Addiction

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

I haven’t been this struck or fallen in love this fast with a book in my life. I started reading it to my wife and couldn’t stop.

I don’t usually react to books this way. I picked this one up, got a few pages in, and went upstairs to get my wife so I could read it to her. I thought I’d read a page or two. I ended up reading fifty or sixty pages out loud before we had to get on with the day. I’ve never done that before with any book connected to this podcast.

So that’s really why I was so excited to have this conversation.

This is a discussion with Lori Carlson-Hijuelos about her book A Writing Marriage, and about the life she shared with her husband, the writer Oscar Hijuelos. We talk about writing and faith and the literary world, but mostly we talk about marriage. What it looks like when two people build a life together over decades. And what it’s like when that life changes after one of them is gone.

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LINKS

https://lorimariecarlson.com

A Writing Marriage at Bookshop

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

I talked with Tia Levings about what it’s like to come out of a world that shaped you completely and what happens after you leave; not just the belief system, but the habits, the fears, the voice in your head that doesn’t feel like yours.

Her new book, I Belong to Me, is really about that part. Not just what happened to her, but how you put yourself back together after.

We talked about complicity. About how you can’t just blame the system forever. At some point you have to look at yourself and ask what you carried forward.

We talked about grief too. Not just what you lost, but what never got to happen, and what it takes to become someone you can live with.
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LINKS

https://tialevings.com/

https://substack.com/@tialevings

I Belong to Me on Bookshop
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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

Frank talks with Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis, authors of The Myth of Good Christian Parenting, about evangelical parenting, obedience, spanking, authority, and the long shadow of family values politics.

This is a personal conversation about a world Frank knew from the inside, and about what happens when fear and control are called faith.

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https://www.marissaburt.com

https://www.kkramermcginnis.com

The Myth of Good Christian Parenting

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

Frank Schaeffer speaks with Professor Michael D.C. Drout about Tolkien’s work and why it continues to resonate.

They explore themes of loss, beauty, and moral clarity, and talk about how Tolkien’s writing reflects the reality that everything meaningful comes with a cost.

The conversation also touches on teaching, younger readers, and how grief shapes the way we understand stories.

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LINKS

The Tower and the Ruin: J.R.R. Tolkien's Creation

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

I joined Melissa Duge Spiers to talk about her upbringing in the Seventh-day Adventist Church and what it means to leave a high-control religious system.

We talked about the structure of that world and how it shapes identity, behavior, and relationships.

Melissa talked about generational trauma and how it lives in the body, not just in memory.

We talked about sexuality, repression, and the ways people try to reclaim control after leaving.

And we talked about why these conversations continue.

Because what happens in private systems like this doesn’t stay private.

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LINKS

https://melissadugespiers.substack.com

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

Frank Schaeffer talks with Becky Garrison about the deeper cultural forces shaping our moment.

They discuss economic insecurity, media collapse, masculinity, and the rise of charismatic leaders.

The conversation moves through religion, power, and the growing divide between men and women.

At the center is a difficult question: how a society loses its way, and whether it can find it again.

LINKS

https://www.beckygarrison.com

Gaslighting For God

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

Keri Ladner joins Frank Schaeffer to discuss her book American Dominion: The Rise and Radicalization of a New Christendom.

They talk about how dominionist theology moved from the fringe into mainstream politics, and how that shift helped shape events like January 6th.

Keri also shares her personal story and how it changed the way she understands faith.

This is a conversation about belief, power, and where we are now.

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I have had the pleasure of talking to some of the leading authors, artists, activists, and change-makers of our time on this podcast, and I want to personally thank you for subscribing, listening, and sharing 100-plus episodes over 100,000 times.

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast

This is a conversation with writer Matthew Davis about Mount Rushmore and the story beneath it. What begins as a discussion of a monument turns into something more personal and more complicated. We talk about the Black Hills, the Lakota, broken treaties, and the way history keeps showing up in the present whether we’re comfortable with it or not. Matthew isn’t trying to argue a point. He’s trying to tell the story as fully as he can. And in doing that, a harder question comes up.

Why do some of us resist hearing parts of our own history at all?

LINKS

Matthew Davis on Substack

https://www.matthewdaviswriter.com

I have had the pleasure of talking to some of the leading authors, artists, activists, and change-makers of our time on this podcast, and I want to personally thank you for subscribing, listening, and sharing 100-plus episodes over 100,000 times.

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In Conversation… with Frank Schaeffer Podcast