Today’s episode features a conversation with Kurt Willems. Kurt Kurt Willems (MDiv, MA) is the founding pastor of Pangea Church. Also a writer, blogger, podcaster and speaker, he maintains the resource website Theology Curator, which is also the name of the podcast he hosts (formerly called, The Paulcast). Kurt is passionate about taking dense ideas and communicating them in ways that are empowering for people in all walks of life. He holds a master of divinity degree from Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary and a master's degree in comparative religion from the University of Washington. His wife, Lauren, is a special education teacher. They have two young daughters.

In the episode Jonathan and Kurt spend time discussing Kurt’s book, Echoing Hope: How the Humanity of Jesus Redeems our Pain, which Jonathan endorsed.

This is a wonderful conversation focusing on reclaiming a robust understating of the humanity of Jesus and how that can inform us particularly during challenging times.

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