In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the second part of a conversation led by Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels, who are part of The Brain Group – a collaboration consisting of Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel. Jack talks about the Enneagram Prison Project with researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek (EPP founder), and program ambassadors Alex Senegal and Thomas Papa. This research and development project uses the Enneagram to inspire transformation. As they explore the project’s real results, they ask how they can measure the experience and how do they develop a protocol? Alex and Thomas share how the Enneagram changed their self-awareness and choices after their release.

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Laura Baker:

Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphd

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788

Enneagram Prison Project:

Web: enneagramprisonproject.org

Jack Killen:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792b

Dan Siegel:

Web: drdansiegel.com

Web: mindsightinstitute.com

Facebook: Dr. Dan Siegel

Denise Daniels:

Web: drdaviddaniels.com

David Daniels:

Web: drdaviddaniels.com

Book: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack Killen

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to short conversations with Julius Rainey & Nicole Rainey, Elmarie Roberts and Wendy Miller.

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IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com

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Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

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LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the first part of a discussion with Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels as they talk about The Brain Group – a collaboration with Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel – and the model they’ve developed called Patterns of Developmental Processing. The human brain and the mind operate in the world by looking and seeing for patterns, making assumptions based on those patterns, and then motivating actions on that basis. These five researchers bring their own perspective to discuss how the Enneagram might develop over someone’s lifespan and the connections between the nine early temperaments that align perfectly with the nine Enneagram types. They also explore some of the challenges they saw in the development of their model.

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Laura Baker:

Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphd

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788

Jack Killen:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792b/

Dan Siegel:

Web: drdansiegel.com

Web: mindsightinstitute.com

Facebook: Dr. Dan Siegel

Denise Daniels:

Web: drdaviddaniels.com

David Daniels:

Web: drdaviddaniels.com

Book: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack Killen

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to storybooth interviews with Ginger Lapid Bogda, Sharon K. Ball, Lucille Greeff, Andisiwe Mketo and Valerie Tih. Sharon and Ginger talk about the evolution of their relationship from mentor-mentee to friends and what they have learned from each other. Lucille Greeff and Andisiwe Mketo interview each other about the future of the Enneagram, sharing the importance of learning from people with different cultures and perspectives to ensure that the Enneagram community is fully global. And lastly, Valerie Tih discusses why the Enneagram is valuable for parents to become more responsive and less reactive as they raise a generation of problem solvers.

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Ginger Lapid Bogda:

Web: theenneagraminbusiness.com

Web: enneagramlearningportal.com

IG: @theenneagraminbusiness

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/gingerl

Sharon K. Ball:

Substack: sharonkball.substack.com

IG: @sharonkball

Book: Reclaiming YOU: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience

Lucille Greeff:

Web: gentlespirit.co.za

Web: aephoriagroup.com

Andisiwe Mketo:

Web: aephoriagroup.com

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/andisiwe-mketo

Valerie Tih:

Web: joyfullcoaching.ca

IG: @joyfullcoaching

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, A.H. Almaas, a spiritual leader and founder of the Ridwan School and the Diamond Approach to Self-Realization, discusses the interconnection between psychology and spirituality within the Enneagram. Rather than treating these as separate parallel processes, Almas explains how the Enneagram reveals them as two inseparable facets of the same consciousness. He explores the Enneagram’s nine holy ideas, emphasizing that understanding the holy ideas represents a shift in perspective that transforms how we perceive ourselves, others, and reality itself.

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A.H. Almaas:

Web: diamondapproach.org

IG: @diamondapproach

Pod: Deep Transformation

Books: shambhala.com/authors/a-f/a-h-almaas.html

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

E72: Story Booth: Marion Gilbert, Lee Fields, Elizabeth & Laurel Nesbit, & Patty Nelson

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to brief conversations that were recorded at last year's Enneagram Experience. Lee Fields chats with her teacher, Marion Gilbert, about somatics and the Enneagram. Creek speaks with sisters, Elizabeth and Laurel Nesbit, about their relationship and how they've supported each other. Patty Nelson shares with Drew how the Enneagram has helped her regulate her nervous system.

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Marion Gilbert:

Web: mariongilbert.com

Web: somaticenneagram.com

Pod: The Somatic Enneagram Podcast

Laurel Nesbit:

Web: findingtheeverydaysacred.com

IG: @findingeverydaysacred

Patty Nelson:

Web: pattynelsoncoaching.com

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to a panel led by Michael Naylor, Anne Geary and Renée Siegel about utilizing the Enneagram with 12-step recovery work. They share their personal journeys with Al-Anon and addiction recovery and how the Enneagram helped them along the way. They explain how the Enneagram map helps individuals understand their unique patterns while engaging with the 12 steps, exploring the intersection of somatic practice, heart-centered healing, and cognitive work across the three centers.

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Michael Naylor:

Web: enneagrammaine.com

Podcast: Enneagram Maine Interviews

Anne Geary:

Web: enneagramapproach.com

Renée Siegel:

Web: urpurepotential.com

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to conversations from three small groups that attended last year’s IEA Conference in Minneapolis. We hear how each group met through the Enneagram – many of them meeting in person for the first time at the conference. Sara Moore and Tamra Evangelista discuss how they help each other navigate being Type Threes. David Schultz and Ali McGhee share their first impressions of the IEA conference and how they think the Enneagram can change people’s lives. The Soul Sisters – that include Ann Wellman, Susan Hansch, Amy McCabe, Lisa Herman – have met once a month after initially attending Russ Hudson’s Enneagram for Conscious Living Class in 2021. While this group represents a diversity of Enneagram types, they reveal how they’ve created an authentic safe space that supports each other’s work.

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Sara Moore:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/saraamoore

The Art of Growth episode: Enneagram Type 3 Panel- Driven to Drawn

Tamra Evangelista:

Web: innerdepthscoaching.com

IG: @inner_depths_coaching

The Art of Growth episode: Enneagram Type 3 Panel- Driven to Drawn

Ann Wellman:

Web: longbeachcommunitytheater.com

FB: Ann Van Wellman

Susan Hansch:

Web: deepcoachinginstitute.com

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/susan-m-hansch-96b909248

Amy McCabe:

Web: mccabecoaching.com

IG: @mccabecoaching

Ali McGhee:

Web: alimcgheewrites.com

IG: @hoodoo.alphabet

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Flemming Christensen returns to share what he’s been working on recently.

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Flemming Christensen:

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Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to story booth interviews with Stephen Cunnell, Jason Chow, Jill DePompei-Morales and Raulin Morales. Stephen shares how the Enneagram helped him through a tough period in his life, while Jason discusses how he centers into his heart space rather than his gut energy. Jill and Raulin interview each other to explore what they’ve learned from watching each other grow and how they complete each other with different lenses and perspectives.

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Stephen Cunnell:

Web: stephenc.co.uk

Jason Chow:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jason-chow-62a264103

Web: carrborofamilyvision.net

Jill DePompei-Morales:

Web: 3deepcoaching.com

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jill-depompei-morales-6311085

Raulin Morales:

Web: 3deepcoaching.com

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/raulin-morales-001759163

Seth "Creek" Creekmore:

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Flemming Christensen:

Web: flemmingchristensen.com

Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training

The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html

Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”

IG: @flemmingchristensencom

FB: Flemming Christensen

LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen