In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Seth “Creek” Creekmore, Lee Fields, Lindsey Marks and Seth Abram unpack their experience from the recent Enneagram Experience 2025. With the conference based around experience, they capture the human side of the legends and luminaries of the Enneagram community, including Suzanne Stabile, Russ Hudson, Dr. Jerry Wagner and Patrick O'Leary, highlighting more of who they are and how they relate as people rather than solely focusing on their contribution to the Enneagram. They also facilitated shorter conversational interviews with attendees at the conference that will also be shared in future episodes.

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Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Seth Abram:

IG: @integratedenneagram

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the Endnote presentation by Chichi Agorom from the IEA Global Conference in 2023. Chichi is a certified Enneagram teacher and practitioner, Associate Faculty with the Narrative Enneagram, and holds a Master of Arts in Clinical Mental Health Counseling and a Post-Master's Certificate in Marriage and Family Therapy. Drawing from the theme of the conference–Unite and Ignite–she discusses how the Enneagram can be used as a tool for our collective liberation, drawing from her book, “The Enneagram for Black Liberation.” She explores how motivation behind our behavior and context–social, race, gender, social economics, religion, etc, that impact how we see ourselves and other people–are important for our inner work.

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Chichi Agorom:

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Book: The Enneagram for Black Liberation

IG: @theenneagramforblackliberation

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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Seth “Creek” Creekmore and Ahmad Wazir continue their conversation with Flemming Christensen, founder and owner of Think About It and The Enneagram Institute of Denmark. They talk more about his book, “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters,” and his approach to the Enneagram. He highlights shadow work, which illuminates what we are not aware of about ourselves, and explores it within each Enneagram type. He also discusses the distinction between primary type and blind type.

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Flemming Christensen:

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Seth "Creek" Creekmore: 

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Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Ahmad Wazir:

IG: @ahmadwazir19

Pod: Totem Confidence

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Learn About Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Seth “Creek” Creekmore and Ahmad Wazir speak with Flemming Christensen, founder and owner of THINK ABOUT IT and The Enneagram Institute of Denmark, about his work with the Enneagram. In this first part of the conversation, we get to know Flemming as he shares stories from his early career, the loss of loved ones, and his discovery of what he calls the “blind type.”

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Throughout the conversation, Flemming reflects on how his relationship with the Enneagram has evolved - from using it as a tool for consulting to embracing it as a mindset and spiritual practice. He also describes how his Zen Buddhist training has shaped his understanding of presence, awareness, and the deeper purpose of self-inquiry.

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Highlights from the episode include:

1. The Blind Enneagram Type

Flemming introduces the concept of the blind type—the type whose qualities we resist, ignore, or reject. He describes how discovering his own blind type transformed his relationships, softened his leadership style, and opened new dimensions in his teaching.

Listen to the second episode with Flemming Christensen

2. Cultural Perspectives on Growth and Teaching

Flemming shares insights gained from working with Enneagram students from diverse cultural backgrounds. From Denmark to Egypt and the United States, he reflects on how cultural values such as equality, authority, and co-creation shape how people learn, teach, and engage in personal development.

3. The Enneagram as a Mindset

Rather than viewing the Enneagram as just a personality tool, Flemming describes it as a mindset for living. Influenced by Buddhist psychology, he explains how the Enneagram can support presence, surrender, and the capacity to meet life as it is.

Tune in for a thoughtful conversation about depth, loss, integration, and what it means to live an Enneagram-informed life.

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Learn About Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we continue listening to Gina Thomas’s presentation about her study that studies the archetypes and their connections with the Enneagram. Gina is an Enneagram teacher who bridges the field with depth psychology, which studies myth, dream and symbol as a way to understand the psyche and she conducted four interviews with 13 focus groups, asking the participants to illustrate their type. She explores the transcendent function for Enneagram Types Six, Three and Four by interpreting each participant’s drawings.

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Gina Thomas:

Study: Archetype and Imagery in the Enneagram

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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to a presentation by Gina Thomas, MA, an Enneagram teacher who bridges the field with depth psychology, which studies myth, dream and symbol as a way to understand the psyche. Gina talks about her study that studies archetypes and their connections with the Enneagram through her four interviews with 13 focus groups. She initially focused on Enneagram Types Three, Six and Nine for her master’s thesis and then continued her research on the remaining types after she received her degree. She shares the imagery she asked the participants to create to illustrate their type as a result of their facilitated conversations.

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Gina Thomas:

Study: Archetype and Imagery in the Enneagram

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Learn About Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we continue Lisa Morrice’s discussion about the passions by looking at the qualities from the thinking center. This center is about being present in our mind and having the awareness to be mentally still and receptive to insight, intuition and not knowing. Lisa talks about three ways the essential qualities of this center can manifest when they’re present and also the four principles for transforming the passions.

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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to a talk from Lisa Morrice about the passions—a recurring emotional pattern associated with our personality types. When we’re not aware of them, they run us pretty much all the time, making us forget ourselves on a fundamental level. Lisa explains how it helps to understand the passions from the three centers by looking at the qualities. She also discusses how the passions play out in each type.

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Learn About Flemming Christensen

In this special collaborative episode with the IEA Podcast, Do It for The Gram and Fathoms, Milton Stewart, Seth “Creek” Creekmore, Lindsey Marks and Lee Fields preview the upcoming IEA Enneagram Experience 2025 - Global Conference and Celebration. All four hosts will be in attendance, so they share what they are looking forward to at this summer’s annual event while also reflecting on this year’s theme — 30 years honoring Enneagram pioneers and future frontiers.

The Fathoms team will continue to host the IEA podcast with the traditional long form interviews with legendary figures as well as collect personal stories from attendees to deeply humanize this work. In their current Season Five, Fathoms has been focusing on the history of the Enneagram from the perspective of different schools and models to get a fuller picture of how they’ve come into this tool, providing an important and better framework and grounding before the conference.

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Seth "Creek" Creekmore: 

IG: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Milton Stewart:

IG: @kaizencareers

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Web: Kaizen Enneagram Academy

Web: Upcoming Events

Pod: Do It For The Gram: An Enneagram Podcast

Lindsey Marks:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Lee Fields:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

Aephoria Partners:

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Learn About Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we continue Renee Rosario’s conversation about using mindfulness with the Enneagram, which is a great tool to open us up to greater wisdom and help us make better choices. Renee invites two people from each center—heart, head and body—to share what they bring to inner practice and what challenges them.

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Learn About Flemming Christensen