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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we go back in time to the first International Enneagram Conference in 1994 and listen as Julia Twomey-Davie presents her dissertation that links Dr. Jerry Wagner’s Enneagram to Carol Pearson's 12 Heroic Archetypes – the first empirical study to test both systems together. She tested 185 adults with five psychological instruments – Wagner Enneagram Personality Style Scales, Pearson's Heroic Myth Index, the Barron Scale from the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, Spielberger State-Trait Anxiety Inventory, and the Marlowe–Crowne Social Desirability Scale – to produce the hypothesis that the 12 archetypes function like a periodic table of psychological elements, revealing that specific types consistently matched with specific archetypes.
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Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Julia Twomey-Davie:
Book: The Pythagorean Path . . . An Enneagram Tale
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to conversations with Melissa Davis, Carmel Buckley and Caryn Berley as they describe how the Enneagram taught them compassion and why type labels are just a starting point, not an ending place. Melissa shares how the Enneagram has taught her to appreciate others for their patterns and how they show up. And Caryn talks about her journey of being a Type Nine and the constant pull between needing solitude and connection with others. Carmel doesn’t work in the Enneagram space, but she discusses why she’s pushing for mental health professionals to learn Enneagram literacy.
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Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Melissa Davis:
Web: melissadavis.co
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/melissacowettdavis
Carmel Buckley:
FB: Carmel del Mar Skin Care
Caryn Berley:
Web: carynberley.com
IG: @carynberley
FB: Caryn Berley, Life Coach & Enneagram Professional
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/caryn-berley-65904462
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Leslie Hershberger speaks with Maria Beesing, co-founder of the IEA and co-author of “The Enneagram: A Journey of Self-Discovery,” which was published in 1984. Maria reflects on four decades teaching the Enneagram and its main purpose to know one’s own type. She talks about the evolution of her own understanding of this tool, which continues to broaden and deepen, and the shift she has noticed for more inclusivity in the last 35 years. She also discusses what she hopes for the next generation, which is to know themselves and trust their creator.
Connect with us:
Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Leslie Hershberger:
Web: lesliehershberger.com
Facebook: Leslie Hershberger
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lesliehershberger
Maria Beesing:
Book: The Enneagram: A Journey of Self Discovery by Maria Beesing, Robert J.Nogosel and Patrick H. O'Leary
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to brief conversations with Karen & Sarah Carlsen, Jakob Florentz Horn and Mettstine Hattesen, and Caryn Berley.
Connect with us:
Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the second part of a conversation led by Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels, who are part of The Brain Group – a collaboration consisting of Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel. Jack talks about the Enneagram Prison Project with researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek (EPP founder), and program ambassadors Alex Senegal and Thomas Papa. This research and development project uses the Enneagram to inspire transformation. As they explore the project’s real results, they ask how they can measure the experience and how do they develop a protocol? Alex and Thomas share how the Enneagram changed their self-awareness and choices after their release.
Connect with us:
Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Laura Baker:
Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphd
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788
Enneagram Prison Project:
Web: enneagramprisonproject.org
Jack Killen:
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792b
Dan Siegel:
Web: drdansiegel.com
Web: mindsightinstitute.com
Facebook: Dr. Dan Siegel
Denise Daniels:
Web: drdaviddaniels.com
David Daniels:
Web: drdaviddaniels.com
Book: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack Killen
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to short conversations with Julius Rainey & Nicole Rainey, Elmarie Roberts and Wendy Miller.
Connect with us:
Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the first part of a discussion with Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels as they talk about The Brain Group – a collaboration with Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel – and the model they’ve developed called Patterns of Developmental Processing. The human brain and the mind operate in the world by looking and seeing for patterns, making assumptions based on those patterns, and then motivating actions on that basis. These five researchers bring their own perspective to discuss how the Enneagram might develop over someone’s lifespan and the connections between the nine early temperaments that align perfectly with the nine Enneagram types. They also explore some of the challenges they saw in the development of their model.
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Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Laura Baker:
Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphd
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788
Jack Killen:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792b/
Dan Siegel:
Web: drdansiegel.com
Web: mindsightinstitute.com
Facebook: Dr. Dan Siegel
Denise Daniels:
Web: drdaviddaniels.com
David Daniels:
Web: drdaviddaniels.com
Book: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack Killen
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to storybooth interviews with Ginger Lapid Bogda, Sharon K. Ball, Lucille Greeff, Andisiwe Mketo and Valerie Tih. Sharon and Ginger talk about the evolution of their relationship from mentor-mentee to friends and what they have learned from each other. Lucille Greeff and Andisiwe Mketo interview each other about the future of the Enneagram, sharing the importance of learning from people with different cultures and perspectives to ensure that the Enneagram community is fully global. And lastly, Valerie Tih discusses why the Enneagram is valuable for parents to become more responsive and less reactive as they raise a generation of problem solvers.
Connect with us:
Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Ginger Lapid Bogda:
Web: theenneagraminbusiness.com
Web: enneagramlearningportal.com
IG: @theenneagraminbusiness
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/gingerl
Sharon K. Ball:
Substack: sharonkball.substack.com
IG: @sharonkball
Book: Reclaiming YOU: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience
Lucille Greeff:
Web: gentlespirit.co.za
Web: aephoriagroup.com
Andisiwe Mketo:
Web: aephoriagroup.com
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/andisiwe-mketo
Valerie Tih:
Web: joyfullcoaching.ca
IG: @joyfullcoaching
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, A.H. Almaas, a spiritual leader and founder of the Ridwan School and the Diamond Approach to Self-Realization, discusses the interconnection between psychology and spirituality within the Enneagram. Rather than treating these as separate parallel processes, Almas explains how the Enneagram reveals them as two inseparable facets of the same consciousness. He explores the Enneagram’s nine holy ideas, emphasizing that understanding the holy ideas represents a shift in perspective that transforms how we perceive ourselves, others, and reality itself.
Connect with us:
Web: internationalenneagram.org
Join the email list: [email protected]
A.H. Almaas:
Web: diamondapproach.org
IG: @diamondapproach
Pod: Deep Transformation
Books: shambhala.com/authors/a-f/a-h-almaas.html
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
E72: Story Booth: Marion Gilbert, Lee Fields, Elizabeth & Laurel Nesbit, & Patty Nelson
In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to brief conversations that were recorded at last year's Enneagram Experience. Lee Fields chats with her teacher, Marion Gilbert, about somatics and the Enneagram. Creek speaks with sisters, Elizabeth and Laurel Nesbit, about their relationship and how they've supported each other. Patty Nelson shares with Drew how the Enneagram has helped her regulate her nervous system.
Connect with us:
Web: internationalenneagram.org
IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com
Join the email list: [email protected]
Marion Gilbert:
Web: mariongilbert.com
Web: somaticenneagram.com
Pod: The Somatic Enneagram Podcast
Laurel Nesbit:
Web: findingtheeverydaysacred.com
IG: @findingeverydaysacred
Patty Nelson:
Web: pattynelsoncoaching.com
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Lindsey Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Flemming Christensen:
Web: flemmingchristensen.com
Trainings: flemmingchristensen.com/training
The Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.html
Book: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”
IG: @flemmingchristensencom
FB: Flemming Christensen
LinkedIn: Flemming Christensen
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