Virginia Heffernan talks to Andrew Marantz, a staff writer at the New Yorker and author of Anti-Social, about Facebook and the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton’s “tuberculosis” and other memes, the difference between word and lived experience, the philosophy of Richard Rorty,the line between speech and violence, and so much more.This is a preview of a Slate Plus episode. To hear this episode in full, <a href="https://my.slate.com/plus??utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=plus_pod&utm_content=gabfest&utm_source=show_notes">sign up here </a>for Slate Plus.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

Virginia Heffernan talks to Andrew Marantz, a staff writer at the New Yorker and author of Anti-Social, about Facebook and the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton’s “tuberculosis” and other memes, the difference between word and lived experience, the philosophy of Richard Rorty,the line between speech and violence, and so much more. This is a preview of a Slate Plus episode. To hear this episode in full, sign up here for Slate Plus. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Virginia Heffernan talks to Andrew Marantz, a staff writer at the New Yorker and author of Anti-Social, about Facebook and the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton’s “tuberculosis” and other memes, the difference between word and lived experience, the philosophy of Richard Rorty,the line between speech and violence, and so much more.This is a preview of a Slate Plus episode. To hear this episode in full, <a href="https://my.slate.com/plus??utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=gabfest&amp;utm_source=show_notes" rel="noopener noreferrer">sign up here </a>for Slate Plus.&nbsp; Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices" rel="noopener noreferrer">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

Irony, Solidarity, and the Internet

After the Trump administration launched a massive Immigrations and Customs Enforcement operation in Minnesota, protesters gathered to defend immigrant neighbors. Renee Nicole Good, a mother of a six year old, showed up with her wife and dog to film altercations between officers and community members. What happened next changed everything.&nbsp; Guest: Jon Collins, senior reporter on the Minnesota Public Radio News race, class and communities team. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" href="http://slate.com/whatnextplus">slate.com/whatnextplus</a> to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme and Rob Gunther.<hr> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

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After the Trump administration launched a massive Immigrations and Customs Enforcement operation in Minnesota, protesters gathered to defend immigrant neighbors. Renee Nicole Good, a mother of a six year old, showed up with her wife and dog to film altercations between officers and community members. What happened next changed everything.  Guest: Jon Collins, senior reporter on the Minnesota Public Radio News race, class and communities team. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme and Rob Gunther. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

After the Trump administration launched a massive Immigrations and Customs Enforcement operation in Minnesota, protesters gathered to defend immigrant neighbors. Renee Nicole Good, a mother of a six year old, showed up with her wife and dog to film altercations between officers and community members. What happened next changed everything.&nbsp; Guest: Jon Collins, senior reporter on the Minnesota Public Radio News race, class and communities team. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at <a href="http://slate.com/whatnextplus" rel="noopener noreferrer">slate.com/whatnextplus</a> to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme and Rob Gunther. Hosted on Acast. See <a href="https://acast.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer">acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

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