Virginia Heffernan talks to Andrew Marantz, a staff writer at the New Yorker and author of Anti-Social, about Facebook and the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton’s “tuberculosis” and other memes, the difference between word and lived experience, the philosophy of Richard Rorty,the line between speech and violence, and so much more.

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