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0:30 Shadi’s path to his new book, The Case for American Power 9:50 George W. Bush’s “Freedom Agenda” 13:19 Does America’s role in Gaza undermine Shadi’s case? 16:47 Shadi’s case for US moral supremacy 23:36 What does China want? 34:19 What justifies military intervention? 40:32 Bob: International law is the answer 51:25 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Shadi Hamid (The Washington Post, The Case for American Power). Recorded October 29, 2025.Twitter: https://twitter.com/NonzeroPods

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0:00 More on Chinese aspirations 4:52 America, f—k yea? 9:15 How the Iraq war propelled Donald Trump’s rise 14:46 Moscow’s view of American behavior 24:42 Could the US have shaped a better Putin path?

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