Jesse Gibson is joined by Alex, AKA Clever Cuban Cards as they dive into the frustrations of trying to snag the 2025 Topps Black and White Baseball release, pointing out how poor communication left many collectors in the dark.

The conversation heats up with a debate on shill bidding, where they break down the ethics and impact on the hobby. They also chat about how card shows are evolving, wondering if more polished setups could actually help the hobby grow. Meanwhile, they Jesse and Alex open a Costco Bundle of Panini Donruss Football, which Alex does pretty well on.

Before answering mailbag questions, the guys also discuss Panini's future without key licenses and the role of non-licensed products.

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