In this episode, Justin and Jackie explore the themes of isolation and loneliness in the digital age, reflecting on their experiences at punk rock concerts and the impact of technology on mental health. They discuss the differences between social isolation and loneliness, the importance of social connections, and the challenges of navigating social interactions in a post-COVID world. The conversation also touches on the phenomenon of 'fubbing' and the need for intentional screen-free time to foster meaningful relationships.