In this episode Jack Labanauskas reflects on the evolution of the Enneagram’s modern expression through his thorough engagement with anyone who’s made a significant contribution to the system over the past 30 years. Jack offers an intimate snapshot of the very private life and mind of the late Óscar Ichazo—especially his attitude towards using the Enneagram to describe personality. Jack also offers some hope for where the tradition can go if we remain openminded and openhearted.

Jack Labanauskas is the preeminent historian of the modern Enneagram of Personality. He’s been editing Enneagram Monthly for the past 25 years, creating a peer-review forum for innovative ideas to find life in conversation with the EnneaCurious.