This is two guys in recovery shooting the shit on addiction, family, work, relapse, and quite a bit more.  Jason is a busy Dad trying to do right by his kids and family, the sober community as a whole, and for himself.  Our conversation went everywhere including non-alcoholic drinks, sex addiction,  journaling, and admitting a relapse or slip-up.  Let's go!

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Check-out Jason's podcasts:
Knockin’ Doorz Down
https://instagram.com/knockindoorzdown?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

PAIN
https://instagram.com/painnonprofit?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==