When debating a transition in our energy grid to clean, alternative energy and away from fossil fuels, we can't neglect a key aspect of this discussion: national security. Jay Evensen from Deseret News joins Boyd to talk about this interesting duo. America's enemies in the world aren't making an energy transition. Russia, China, and Iran are relying on oil, gas, and coal to ramp up their military operations and expansionist goals. If we fully commit to break away from fossil fuels now, we could deprive ourselves of vitally important resources at a time when we can least afford it. We need to develop a strategy moving forward to strengthen our national security.