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0:00 Intro

1:25 The response to Glenn’s appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show

4:03 Are institutions like the University of Austin the future of higher ed?

11:31 Ground News ad

13:14 When social justice musicology came for John’s syllabus

17:42 What role should social justice play in academic study?

28:40 John’s trip to the National Museum of African American History and Culture

35:50 Will the museum survive Trump’s assault on DEI?

44:47 Are Glenn and John complicit in anti-DEI overreach?

55:30 The racial animus question in anti-DEI reform

Recorded on May 21, 2025

Links and Readings

Glenn’s recent appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show

The Chronicle of Higher Education’s interview with Glenn

Glenn’s forthcoming book, Self-Censorship

Glenn’s memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative

John’s conversation with actor Clifton Duncan

The BBC’s 1973 production of George Bernard Shaw’s Pygmalion, starring Lynn Redgrave and James Villiers

Khalil Gibran Muhammad’s book, The Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America

Victor Herbert’s operetta, Babes in Toyland

John’s NYT piece on the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture

Glenn’s conversation with Brown University student Alex Shieh

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