0:00 A sixteen-year-long conversation

5:45 Race and socioeconomics on the cusp of the Obama Era

21:19 The myth of black poverty and deindustrialization

32:56 Glenn pulls rank

37:59 Why Glenn changed his mind about the Manhattan Institute

50:15 Is the think tank world any more “objective” than academia?

Recorded August 19, 2023

Links and Readings

Glenn and John’s first conversation from November 7, 2007

John’s book, Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America

John’s book, Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America

Glenn’s book, The Anatomy of Racial Inequality

Martin Peretz’s memoir, The Controversialist: Arguments with Everyone, Left, Right, and Center

Jeffrey O.C. Ogbar’s book, Hip-Hop Revolution: The Culture and Politics of Rap

Charles Murray’s book, Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980

Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein’s book, The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life

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