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1:08 John’s work with Braver Angels

8:16 How Braver Angels gets its business done

13:09 Trying to bridge the partisan divide

20:27 Do some issues require taking sides?

27:37 Braver Angels's approach to the immigration issue

31:37 John: “Trump is more symptom than cause”

38:47 Are some political conflicts unavoidable?

41:38 John: “What we need in America is a ... spiritual transformation in our attitudes toward one another”

50:30 Braver Angels's American Hope Campaign

Recorded on July 25, 2025

Links and Readings

Glenn’s 2020 conversation with John

Braver Angels

A Braver Way podcast

Eliza Taylor Hawkins’s report, “Depolarizing During the Pandemic”

Braver Angels’s Trustworthy Elections Report

John’s speech before Braver Angels’s 2023 National Convention

Thomas Sowell’s book, Black Rednecks & White Liberals

Braver Angels’s American Hope Campaign

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