It's hard to believe what was happening in Xinjiang and most Chinese people didn't believe, but now they do. A lot of them do.

Josh Chin

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A full transcript is available at www.democracyparadox.com.

Josh Chin is the Deputy Bureau Chief for China at the Wall Street Journal and the coauthor with Liza Lin of the book Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control.

Key Highlights

• Introduction - 0:38
• Describing Xinjiang - 2:38
• Social Engineering - 11:21
• Privacy in China - 19:08
• AI in China - 28:23

Key Links

Surveillance State: Inside China's Quest to Launch a New Era of Social Control by Josh Chin and Liza Lin

Read more from Josh Chin in the Wall Street Journal

"The Mandarin in the Machine" A review of Surveillance State in Journal of Democracy by Will Dobson

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