Well, this is some epsiode! Kathleen and Kate chat to Lee Mclean of Keystone Equine about a life with horses, and specifically how she cares for herself, her family and her community.

Lee has been working in the online/social media space for quite a while, and she has learned some things about self-care and boundaries in this new world over the years . She now has a huge following and has had to take positive action to keep that healthy and safe for all. Lee is a prolific and amazing writer, and slowly and deliberately develops a small herd of ponies and horses, according to high quality traditions of horsemanship We loved chatting with her and you can find her on Fb under Keystone Equine. Kathleen can be found at www.ethosequine.org

Kate at www.softandsound.org