In this episode Kate and Kathleen talk about the challenge that horsepeople  can face when they see the gurus or masters working at the most subtle or 'black belt' level of horsemanship, without always being explicit abou the years of practical interactions with horses which have got them to this stage.

 We hope this episode helps you feel better about 'where you are now' and recognise that being a 'white belt' is something to be very proud of. You can find us at

Kathleen - www.ethosequine.org

Kate - www.softandsound.org