If you know you're different, but you don't want anyone else to notice, what do you do? When Kath Ebbs was growing up and coming to terms with their sexuality and gender, they used homophobia and transphobia as a defence to try and convince others they were straight. Kath grew up in a Catholic house and school. They didn't know what the LGBT acronym stood for but they did know when they made out with their female friends at parties, they liked it. They also knew it was wrong. In this episode, Kath shares with Sean about what scared them so much about being a lesbian, dating a trans person and coming out as non-binary after practicing transphobia as a teenager and how religion taught them to be more compassionate in their activism. If this episode brought up any feelings for you or you want more information, these resources may help you: QLife: Call 1800 184 527 for a free phone service every day from 3pm – midnight. Visit their website www.qlife.org.au for a free webchat Minus18: Australia’s LGBTQIA+ charity. Follow them on social @minus18youth or visit their website on www.minus18.org.au for resources, events and training for your school or workplace Lifeline: Call 13 11 14 for 24-hour crisis support If you want to be a part of the Come Out Wherever You Are community, you can follow us on Instagram: @comeoutwhereveryouare @seanszeps @kathebbsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.