Kate Bowler is an author, podcaster and professor at Duke University, and Nora’s dear friend. And the thing that helps her remember it’s going to be okay is … ketchup.

You can find Kate’s podcast, Everything Happens with Kate Bowler, wherever you listen to podcasts. Her most recent book, The Lives We Actually Have: 100 Blessings for Imperfect Days, is available wherever you get books. You can find information on Kate’s newsletter and other books on her website. Want to hear more from Kate? Listen to “Life After Certainty,” an interview with Nora about Kate’s academic work and cancer diagnosis, on our sister show, "Terrible, Thanks for Asking."

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