Kyle Sandilands and Karl Stefanovic - It's one of the sharpest podcast interviews you'll hear this year according to Craig, but Irene has a very different view. We unpack the interview and discuss Karl's first step into podcasting and independent media.

Then we tackle Christian O'Connell's big question: What does radio do that nothing else can? Is “live and local” actually a differentiator — or just industry comfort food?

And finally: in a fractured, algorithm-driven media world, can any show truly be “famous for” one thing? Or is the smarter play building a suite of benchmarks that compound around a clear position?

This one's for programmers, talent and anyone still chasing the idea of a magic segment.

This week's guest is Jay Walkerden from Podshape, one of Australia's largest independent podcast and content production companies.

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